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Exaggerating claims beyond a certain point makes them unconvincing. For example, the BBC's iPlayer is designed for time shifting and device shifting, and it has

by DougBTX 12y ago

Exaggerating claims beyond a certain point makes them unconvincing. For example, the BBC's iPlayer is designed for time shifting and device shifting, and it has always used restrictive DRM, so saying that DRM prevents that just makes the argument look wrong to semi-informed users.

falcolas 12y ago
> saying that DRM prevents that just makes the argument look wrong to semi-informed users. It does prevent these uses, however, unless the content provider explicitly provides it. The US law says that the content provider does not need to explicitly allow it; it's a right granted to the user by copyright law.
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SixSigma 12y ago
> For example, the BBC's iPlayer is designed for time shifting and device shifting Cool, can you show me how to play the content on my portable MP4 player please.
- JupiterMoon 12y ago
  get-iplayer?
  - gergles 12y ago
    Which relies on the flash streaming protocol, so here we are back at square one.
    - JupiterMoon 12y ago
      Actually we're worse. As I understand it UK law considers that because flash based DRM is weak it doesn't count as DRM and hence get-iplayer is legal. Will this hold when/if the BBC switches to the new boss?
      - M2Ys4U 12y ago
        >As I understand it UK law considers that because flash based DRM is weak it doesn't count as DRM Unfortunately, no. I think you may be getting tripped up by the phrase "effective technological measures" - being "effective" is a very, very low bar. To quote s296ZF of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988:[0] “technological measures” are any technology, device or component which is designed, in the normal course of its operation, to protect a copyright work other than a computer program. (2)Such measures are “effective” if the use of the work is controlled by the copyright owner through— (a)an access control or protection process such as encryption, scrambling or other transformation of the work, or (b)a copy control mechanism, which achieves the intended protection. [0] http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/section/296ZF http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/section/296ZF
  - SixSigma 12y ago
    I searched the BBC website but I can't find that anywhere.

by DougBTX 12y ago

falcolas 12y ago

> saying that DRM prevents that just makes the argument look wrong to semi-informed users. It does prevent these uses, however, unless the content provider explicitly provides it. The US law says that the content provider does not need to explicitly allow it; it's a right granted to the user by copyright law.

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SixSigma 12y ago

> For example, the BBC's iPlayer is designed for time shifting and device shifting Cool, can you show me how to play the content on my portable MP4 player please.

JupiterMoon 12y ago
get-iplayer?
- gergles 12y ago
  Which relies on the flash streaming protocol, so here we are back at square one.
  - JupiterMoon 12y ago
    Actually we're worse. As I understand it UK law considers that because flash based DRM is weak it doesn't count as DRM and hence get-iplayer is legal. Will this hold when/if the BBC switches to the new boss?
    - M2Ys4U 12y ago
      >As I understand it UK law considers that because flash based DRM is weak it doesn't count as DRM Unfortunately, no. I think you may be getting tripped up by the phrase "effective technological measures" - being "effective" is a very, very low bar. To quote s296ZF of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988:[0] “technological measures” are any technology, device or component which is designed, in the normal course of its operation, to protect a copyright work other than a computer program. (2)Such measures are “effective” if the use of the work is controlled by the copyright owner through— (a)an access control or protection process such as encryption, scrambling or other transformation of the work, or (b)a copy control mechanism, which achieves the intended protection. [0] http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/section/296ZF http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/section/296ZF
- SixSigma 12y ago
  I searched the BBC website but I can't find that anywhere.