What I hate the most about all these arguments is people always say that php people don't know shit about computer science. C.S. is important, but it's not what

What I hate the most about all these arguments is people always say that php people don't know shit about computer science. C.S. is important, but it's not what makes you a good programmer. Ultimately all systems have theory behind the underpinning technologies, but what makes a system powerful is how it's engineered at scale, and how code is maintained at scale. A house is about making sure all materials to build it are strong enough via scientific measurements & standards. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to know that if you don't use proper materials, everything falls apart. That is why if you write in langauges like php, they improve the C.S. part from the community, but also build frameworks which are the Software Engineering Technics encoded in documentation. Ultimately, what makes people hate a language is how it engineers structures at scale, and ones which don't force the hand, people hate. PHP has recently frowned apon writing massive codebases without frameworks, and when it is a framework, they expect people to take the time to document their frameworks to a point where the community can take over and improve that product. Writing lots of non-domain specific code is a sure-fire way to find haters all day long. Almost all modern php now is very heavily leveraged in package management & commonly used frameworks & best practice software engineering principles in the underpinning glue to the code.