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Too late! http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/setup?s=t http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/setup?s=t set up verb (adverb, mainly transitive) ..

Too late! http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/setup?s=t http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/setup?s=t set up verb (adverb, mainly transitive) .... 3. to build or construct: to set up a shed Collins, 2012 I've slowly moved from prescriptivist to descriptivist, and if you want to keep your sanity, I suggest you do too, because linguistic history has shown that people use words the way they want and will keep doing so regardless of any interventions. edit: To clarify - the author says: I ask you to set something up for me. I don't ask you to setup something for me. I think the genesis of this expression was "to set up <sthg>" -> "set up <sthg>" -> "setup_sthg". The "to set <sthg> up" form /is/ probably more correct in the prescriptivist sense, but my take is that this isn't really a mistake, it's intentional. "setTestClassUp" sucks because it spreads the logical units of the identifier all over the place. I want the verb in the beginning and the noun after.

ksk 12y ago
lolz bt dnt u thnk tht ths shit is ugly?
- nate_meurer 12y ago
  Ugly to us maybe, but that won't stop your kids from being fluent in it.
- chunkstuntman 12y ago
  In my experience, the only people who send text messages this way are the parents of children who have a cell phone. Text abbreviations were used at a time when typing on a phone was difficult, but now that we can use our thumbs to type (or swipe) fully expanded words on a virtual qwerty keyboard, most people have abandoned the kind of spelling you're displaying.
  - yaddayadda 12y ago
    My co-workers' (ranging in age from 18 to upper-50s) txt's beg to differ.
peterjmag 12y ago
Doesn't that link contradict your point? Only the verb version contains a space. setup noun ... set up verb (adverb, mainly transitive) ... That said, I agree with you regarding prescriptivism vs. descriptivism.
Epenthesis 12y ago
I don't think you're disagreeing with the post. The author isn't arguing that "set up" isn't a verb, but that it's a phrasal verb, which should be written as two words. This isn't a prescriptivist argument about language itself, it's an argument about a spelling convention (One which is arguably more accurately descriptive of the usage of the words.). Your dictionary link, by spelling "set up" as separate words when used as a verb, agrees with the author. It's possible that language changes will result in "set up" becoming a fixed, atomic phrase, at which point writing it as one word would make sense. But since both"I'm going to set up the computer" and "I'm going to set the computer up" still sound perfectly natural to my ears as a native speaker, I don't think we've yet reached that point.
- dikaiosune 12y ago
  In camel case, "two words" becomes setUp. I'm not sure that capitalizing 'U' does any good for future readability. I suppose that in snake case it might be a little clearer, but in many cases it would still be good either way that someone named their method/function/variable fairly descriptively.
  - jcbrand 12y ago
    I'm actually ok with it being written "setup" in that case. It's then just a noun and not a verb. However something like "cleanupInstance" is much better written cleanInstance or cleanUpInstance

ksk 12y ago

lolz bt dnt u thnk tht ths shit is ugly?

nate_meurer 12y ago
Ugly to us maybe, but that won't stop your kids from being fluent in it.
chunkstuntman 12y ago
In my experience, the only people who send text messages this way are the parents of children who have a cell phone. Text abbreviations were used at a time when typing on a phone was difficult, but now that we can use our thumbs to type (or swipe) fully expanded words on a virtual qwerty keyboard, most people have abandoned the kind of spelling you're displaying.
- yaddayadda 12y ago
  My co-workers' (ranging in age from 18 to upper-50s) txt's beg to differ.

peterjmag 12y ago

Doesn't that link contradict your point? Only the verb version contains a space. setup noun ... set up verb (adverb, mainly transitive) ... That said, I agree with you regarding prescriptivism vs. descriptivism.

Epenthesis 12y ago

I don't think you're disagreeing with the post. The author isn't arguing that "set up" isn't a verb, but that it's a phrasal verb, which should be written as two words. This isn't a prescriptivist argument about language itself, it's an argument about a spelling convention (One which is arguably more accurately descriptive of the usage of the words.). Your dictionary link, by spelling "set up" as separate words when used as a verb, agrees with the author. It's possible that language changes will result in "set up" becoming a fixed, atomic phrase, at which point writing it as one word would make sense. But since both"I'm going to set up the computer" and "I'm going to set the computer up" still sound perfectly natural to my ears as a native speaker, I don't think we've yet reached that point.

dikaiosune 12y ago
In camel case, "two words" becomes setUp. I'm not sure that capitalizing 'U' does any good for future readability. I suppose that in snake case it might be a little clearer, but in many cases it would still be good either way that someone named their method/function/variable fairly descriptively.
- jcbrand 12y ago
  I'm actually ok with it being written "setup" in that case. It's then just a noun and not a verb. However something like "cleanupInstance" is much better written cleanInstance or cleanUpInstance