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So you want to deny that there are people who are just inefficient? I have seen this often. As I said, these people exist in all professions and this issue is n

by quonn 12y ago

So you want to deny that there are people who are just inefficient? I have seen this often. As I said, these people exist in all professions and this issue is not related to good engineering practice, writing specs or anything like that. That's good practice, of course. But there is no indication that this is the problem here. The OP made clear that the setup VMs that they do not need and ask questions "then a week later come back with the same question as though we had never talked about it". I can't see how this is related to writing specs or following proper software engineering guidelines. Sure he might judge these people wrong, but he certainly has much more information than you. You have no information at all! > I like being a contrarian, because I force people outside of their preset view, and to see it from other side. Yes, that's exactly what I thought you were. But this is not a helpful attitude if you don't have the necessary contextual information.

UK-AL 12y ago
Because people impose their predetermined views quite strongly. If you have already have a view of someone, anything that remotely confirms that is used as evidence. Where things don't confirm that that are forgotten. If your going on a date with someone and they pick their nose, you probably think they are a slob. If someone has been married to someone 20 years, and they pick their nose, you might say "but they have a heart of gold". Forcing yourself out of lazy views, is quite hard. Yet its the number one thing thats important in management. Not jumping to conclusions, being able to see from another position, being able to reframe your views and so on.
hnnewguy 12y ago
>So you want to deny that there are people who are just inefficient? He's offering a different perspective on what the problem might be. If your default view is that these people are "inefficient", you're probably going to be a terrible manager. >The OP made clear that the setup VMs that they do not need and ask questions Because the OP is having trouble figuring out what the problem is. If it was as straight-forward as "These guys don't do any work" then the solution is pretty obvious, isn't it? He also says, "Two of them just work with minimal supervision". Well, if everyone was like that, we probably wouldn't need managers.

by quonn 12y ago

UK-AL 12y ago

Because people impose their predetermined views quite strongly. If you have already have a view of someone, anything that remotely confirms that is used as evidence. Where things don't confirm that that are forgotten. If your going on a date with someone and they pick their nose, you probably think they are a slob. If someone has been married to someone 20 years, and they pick their nose, you might say "but they have a heart of gold". Forcing yourself out of lazy views, is quite hard. Yet its the number one thing thats important in management. Not jumping to conclusions, being able to see from another position, being able to reframe your views and so on.

hnnewguy 12y ago

>So you want to deny that there are people who are just inefficient? He's offering a different perspective on what the problem might be. If your default view is that these people are "inefficient", you're probably going to be a terrible manager. >The OP made clear that the setup VMs that they do not need and ask questions Because the OP is having trouble figuring out what the problem is. If it was as straight-forward as "These guys don't do any work" then the solution is pretty obvious, isn't it? He also says, "Two of them just work with minimal supervision". Well, if everyone was like that, we probably wouldn't need managers.