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https://www.fsf.org/about/financial https://www.fsf.org/about/financial The FSF had revenue of 1.25 million in 2013. I'm not trying to comment on where it came

https://www.fsf.org/about/financial https://www.fsf.org/about/financial The FSF had revenue of 1.25 million in 2013. I'm not trying to comment on where it came from or where it went to. I'm only pointing out that they are not in a very similar position.

hf 12y ago
Those are some rather interesting documents, thanks! In 2013 FSF paid $ 689,239 in salaries and, astoundingly!, $ 48,995 in credit card fees.
- chkuendig 12y ago
  FIY: That's 3.8% assuming everybody donated by credit card. Anybody got an idea why they pay so much?
  - ceejayoz 12y ago
    2.9% is fairly standard with Stripe et. al., but fees from things like chargebacks could probably add up to another 1%.
  - anebg 12y ago
    Typical credit card fees are 2.9% + 30c. Assuming that they have regular fees at not non-profit rates(which tend to be lower), it would make their average donation amount to be around $7.14 Source: 48995/689239 = (x*.029+.30)/x
    - TheSilentMan 12y ago
      With that many transactions they should be able to negotiate a lower fee than that. My company did a bit over 4 million in CC transactions last year and our rate is 1.9% and I believe the flat rate per transaction is 25 cents.
    - daveloyall 12y ago
      That's in the ballpark for monthly membership fees. ~$10/month.
  - Torgo 12y ago
    Maybe it includes unfavorable (normal for credit card xactions) exchange rate conversions?
    - detaro 12y ago
      Aren't these generally dumped on the person paying?
    - ars 12y ago
      My understanding is that credit cards give you the best exchange rates available at retail. Some banks do tack on a foreign transaction fee though, but that goes on the payer.
  - jimktrains2 12y ago
    As someone else pointed out 2.75%-2.9% is common, often thre is a charge per transaction too (on the order of 25cents after it's all said and done). The fee can change based on the card type (the merchant pays a higher fee on rewards cards normally...someone has to pay for rewards!) and international purchases can have additional fees. Charges backs can also bump up fees, ditto for outsourced fraud protection.
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trurl 12y ago
This is partly why I stopped donating to the FSF. They're dumping some amount of that money into misguided PR campaigns rather than helping out the developers trying to make free software better.
- Alupis 12y ago
  1.25 million USD is really not a lot of money at all... especially given all of the projects the FSF supports under the GNU umbrella. If they had zero expenses other than staffers, at a very modest 65,000 USD a year that would not even cover 20 people. The EFF, FSF are the only real "good guys" out there fighting for your techie rights every day... They could really use your donations and support (even if you don't agree 100% with all of their message).
nanofortnight 12y ago
So… enough pay for about 20 developers?
- eru 12y ago
  In India? Do you know how expensive developers are? (Especially fully loaded, ie with all the overhead that a company has to pay.)
- timonovici 12y ago
  More like 8 or 10. There are costs beside that: hardware, hosting, office, internet, etc. etc. The math doesn't work that way ;)

hf 12y ago

Those are some rather interesting documents, thanks! In 2013 FSF paid $ 689,239 in salaries and, astoundingly!, $ 48,995 in credit card fees.

chkuendig 12y ago
FIY: That's 3.8% assuming everybody donated by credit card. Anybody got an idea why they pay so much?
- ceejayoz 12y ago
  2.9% is fairly standard with Stripe et. al., but fees from things like chargebacks could probably add up to another 1%.
- anebg 12y ago
  Typical credit card fees are 2.9% + 30c. Assuming that they have regular fees at not non-profit rates(which tend to be lower), it would make their average donation amount to be around $7.14 Source: 48995/689239 = (x*.029+.30)/x
  - TheSilentMan 12y ago
    With that many transactions they should be able to negotiate a lower fee than that. My company did a bit over 4 million in CC transactions last year and our rate is 1.9% and I believe the flat rate per transaction is 25 cents.
  - daveloyall 12y ago
    That's in the ballpark for monthly membership fees. ~$10/month.
- Torgo 12y ago
  Maybe it includes unfavorable (normal for credit card xactions) exchange rate conversions?
  - detaro 12y ago
    Aren't these generally dumped on the person paying?
  - ars 12y ago
    My understanding is that credit cards give you the best exchange rates available at retail. Some banks do tack on a foreign transaction fee though, but that goes on the payer.
- jimktrains2 12y ago
  As someone else pointed out 2.75%-2.9% is common, often thre is a charge per transaction too (on the order of 25cents after it's all said and done). The fee can change based on the card type (the merchant pays a higher fee on rewards cards normally...someone has to pay for rewards!) and international purchases can have additional fees. Charges backs can also bump up fees, ditto for outsourced fraud protection.
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trurl 12y ago

This is partly why I stopped donating to the FSF. They're dumping some amount of that money into misguided PR campaigns rather than helping out the developers trying to make free software better.

Alupis 12y ago
1.25 million USD is really not a lot of money at all... especially given all of the projects the FSF supports under the GNU umbrella. If they had zero expenses other than staffers, at a very modest 65,000 USD a year that would not even cover 20 people. The EFF, FSF are the only real "good guys" out there fighting for your techie rights every day... They could really use your donations and support (even if you don't agree 100% with all of their message).

nanofortnight 12y ago

So… enough pay for about 20 developers?

eru 12y ago
In India? Do you know how expensive developers are? (Especially fully loaded, ie with all the overhead that a company has to pay.)
timonovici 12y ago
More like 8 or 10. There are costs beside that: hardware, hosting, office, internet, etc. etc. The math doesn't work that way ;)