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Nice perspective, Heinleins juveniles were VERY influential on me as pre-teen/teen. Plus my father shared the same outlook, that I was responsible for my educa

Nice perspective, Heinleins juveniles were VERY influential on me as pre-teen/teen. Plus my father shared the same outlook, that I was responsible for my education. I later came to understand that I had been indoctrinated with Libertarianism, unwittingly, and had to adjust my beliefs somewhat as an adult.

hga 12y ago
Heinlein explicitly wrote those books to teach us what he thought we needed to know to get out into space, including attitudes like libertarianism (small l, I believe, because you can't really pigeonhole him). And, yeah, they were very influential on me as well, and the experiences of life also prompted me to adjust some of those beliefs. But that's a pretty normal thing, I think.
eropple 12y ago
Libertarianism, at least big-L, doesn't quite fit Heinlein, I think. He isn't part of the deranged maximal-freedom thing that we now see in the libertarian movement and the ancaps that are running under that banner and he regularly espouses a socially aware, love-thy-neighbor attitude through his characters. Heinlein always seems to have realized that, in a world with limited elbow room and the ability to fail very hard, government is both inescapable and actually valuable--and beyond the "blind arbiter of contracts" that you hear out of the libertarian bucket. I liked how Spider Robinson put it (although the article it comes from[1] is kind of fawning): a man who bitterly opposes military conscription, supports consensual sexual freedom and women's ownership of their bellies, delights in unconventional marriage customs, champions massive expenditures for scientific research, suggests radical experiments in government; and; has written with apparent approval of anarchists, communists, socialists, technocrats, limited-franchise-republicans, emperors and empresses, capitalists, dictators, thieves, whores, charlatans and even career civil servants. I'm not a libertarian (because I don't believe the strong should rule the weak, and I don't think Heinlein does either) and it's hard to find anything that in principle I can't be cool with. [1] - http://www.heinleinsociety.org/rah/works/articles/rahrahrah.html http://www.heinleinsociety.org/rah/works/articles/rahrahrah....

hga 12y ago

Heinlein explicitly wrote those books to teach us what he thought we needed to know to get out into space, including attitudes like libertarianism (small l, I believe, because you can't really pigeonhole him). And, yeah, they were very influential on me as well, and the experiences of life also prompted me to adjust some of those beliefs. But that's a pretty normal thing, I think.

eropple 12y ago

Libertarianism, at least big-L, doesn't quite fit Heinlein, I think. He isn't part of the deranged maximal-freedom thing that we now see in the libertarian movement and the ancaps that are running under that banner and he regularly espouses a socially aware, love-thy-neighbor attitude through his characters. Heinlein always seems to have realized that, in a world with limited elbow room and the ability to fail very hard, government is both inescapable and actually valuable--and beyond the "blind arbiter of contracts" that you hear out of the libertarian bucket. I liked how Spider Robinson put it (although the article it comes from[1] is kind of fawning): a man who bitterly opposes military conscription, supports consensual sexual freedom and women's ownership of their bellies, delights in unconventional marriage customs, champions massive expenditures for scientific research, suggests radical experiments in government; and; has written with apparent approval of anarchists, communists, socialists, technocrats, limited-franchise-republicans, emperors and empresses, capitalists, dictators, thieves, whores, charlatans and even career civil servants. I'm not a libertarian (because I don't believe the strong should rule the weak, and I don't think Heinlein does either) and it's hard to find anything that in principle I can't be cool with. [1] - http://www.heinleinsociety.org/rah/works/articles/rahrahrah.html http://www.heinleinsociety.org/rah/works/articles/rahrahrah....