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I know imitation is the sincerest form of flattery but Techlist's analytics capabilities have an uncanny resemblance to CB Insights. In addition, 12 folks from

by asanwal 12y ago

I know imitation is the sincerest form of flattery but Techlist's analytics capabilities have an uncanny resemblance to CB Insights. In addition, 12 folks from their team have signed up for our free trial since September including the CEO, head of product, designer, product manager and a senior ruby developer. Take a look at their heatmap. The color scheme to even the text underneath is exactly the same. Here is our heatmap which we launched 2 years ago: http://cbi.vc/1AsvNy3 http://cbi.vc/1AsvNy3 Their industry graphs are also the same. Here is ours: http://cbi.vc/1Asw0kR http://cbi.vc/1Asw0kR On the bright side, this is a bit of an ego boost, and we're flattered that these guys liked CB Insights so much that they wanted one just like it for themselves. Note: I'm the CEO of CB Insights.

jusben1369 12y ago
Do you think they just copied you to launch rapidly/MVP and if successful/raise then they would have resources to go in their own design direction?
- ConfuciusSay 12y ago
  Are you suggesting that excuses the copying?
  - jusben1369 12y ago
    Not at all! Just trying to grapple with how they think they could get away with it over time. Perhaps they didn't plan to.
- asanwal 12y ago
  To be honest, I don't care :) And copying our work was good enough to get them into YC so guess mission accomplished. Hopefully YC doesn't condone this type of behavior. When the CEO and 11 other employees sign up for someone else's service to copy it, it seems originality might be in short supply.
  - hamburglar 12y ago
    It seems like people think you're commenting about this because you want them stopped, which doesn't seem to be the case to me. You just want it acknowledged that they did this shitty thing. I agree that it's shitty and I assume it's not actionable and think you're right to just be right out in the open saying "well, they stole our design and got away with it... more power to them." I do wonder if HN leadership has any comments on this type of behavior, because it really does look shitty coming from one of their teams.
    - asanwal 12y ago
      I didn't post the original link. Honestly, I'd love for them to be stopped but this is the internet after all :) I, like you, am curious if YC condones this type of copying esp since the CEO admitted it on Twitter. But it's shitty and our team does a lot of hard work so I do hate to see it copied. That said, we've seen plenty of unoriginal folks do similar stuff in the past, and they've all failed as they focus on us while we focus on customers.
williswee 12y ago
Hi Anand you're right that 2 of our analytics layouts share a very similar aesthetic to those on CBI. On behalf of myself personally and on behalf of Tech in Asia and the Techlist team, I apologize. We're doing a lot of work to make sure Techlist is unique behind the scenes, and of course the data we're pulling into our site is unique and Asia-focused, but we definitely made a mistake in taking too much from CBI's visual design. It was a shortcut, and one that we shouldn't have taken, as it does a disservice to you, to Tech in Asia, and to our customers. There's really no excuse; we should have put more time into coming up with our own visuals. In the immediate future we will be working on finding a more unique aesthetic framework within which to present our data. Note: I'm the CEO of Tech in Asia that runs Techlist.
- williswee 12y ago
  Update: we changed our location and vertical analytics graph layouts overnight. http://i.imgur.com/vJLd9Ls.jpg http://i.imgur.com/vJLd9Ls.jpg http://i.imgur.com/2KYx7zK.jpg http://i.imgur.com/2KYx7zK.jpg
Plough_Jogger 12y ago
I can't imagine YC having a problem with team members testing a competitors' product, that's a pretty fundamental aspect of market research. Yes, they admitted to being influenced by yor charts, but you can't really claim IP on a line graph. The best product will win, and your public cries of unfairness/ foul play is not a positive business signal. It looks like CB Insights just dropped off of my investor-data-startups heat-map, which my team is working furiously to re-style, we had copied Techlist.
teddyuk 12y ago
I honestly don't know why someone would go to the effort of starting a company, obviously get some funding and entry to yc and not want the app to be unique and well thought out (not saying yours isn't) - I would want to put my mark all over it and the ui is critical to what customers see. It is just stupid and shows bad judgment, not a company I would use.
tablet 12y ago
So someone stole your design and you cry out? WTF? Is it a kind of PR campaign? Get back to work and do something fucking unique that other can't easily steal. Invent. Cool inventions even in UI are hard to steal. You have NOTHING FUCKING SPECIAL in this design to cry about it.

by asanwal 12y ago

jusben1369 12y ago

Do you think they just copied you to launch rapidly/MVP and if successful/raise then they would have resources to go in their own design direction?

ConfuciusSay 12y ago
Are you suggesting that excuses the copying?
- jusben1369 12y ago
  Not at all! Just trying to grapple with how they think they could get away with it over time. Perhaps they didn't plan to.
asanwal 12y ago
To be honest, I don't care :) And copying our work was good enough to get them into YC so guess mission accomplished. Hopefully YC doesn't condone this type of behavior. When the CEO and 11 other employees sign up for someone else's service to copy it, it seems originality might be in short supply.
- hamburglar 12y ago
  It seems like people think you're commenting about this because you want them stopped, which doesn't seem to be the case to me. You just want it acknowledged that they did this shitty thing. I agree that it's shitty and I assume it's not actionable and think you're right to just be right out in the open saying "well, they stole our design and got away with it... more power to them." I do wonder if HN leadership has any comments on this type of behavior, because it really does look shitty coming from one of their teams.
  - asanwal 12y ago
    I didn't post the original link. Honestly, I'd love for them to be stopped but this is the internet after all :) I, like you, am curious if YC condones this type of copying esp since the CEO admitted it on Twitter. But it's shitty and our team does a lot of hard work so I do hate to see it copied. That said, we've seen plenty of unoriginal folks do similar stuff in the past, and they've all failed as they focus on us while we focus on customers.

williswee 12y ago

Hi Anand you're right that 2 of our analytics layouts share a very similar aesthetic to those on CBI. On behalf of myself personally and on behalf of Tech in Asia and the Techlist team, I apologize. We're doing a lot of work to make sure Techlist is unique behind the scenes, and of course the data we're pulling into our site is unique and Asia-focused, but we definitely made a mistake in taking too much from CBI's visual design. It was a shortcut, and one that we shouldn't have taken, as it does a disservice to you, to Tech in Asia, and to our customers. There's really no excuse; we should have put more time into coming up with our own visuals. In the immediate future we will be working on finding a more unique aesthetic framework within which to present our data. Note: I'm the CEO of Tech in Asia that runs Techlist.

williswee 12y ago
Update: we changed our location and vertical analytics graph layouts overnight. http://i.imgur.com/vJLd9Ls.jpg http://i.imgur.com/vJLd9Ls.jpg http://i.imgur.com/2KYx7zK.jpg http://i.imgur.com/2KYx7zK.jpg

Plough_Jogger 12y ago

I can't imagine YC having a problem with team members testing a competitors' product, that's a pretty fundamental aspect of market research. Yes, they admitted to being influenced by yor charts, but you can't really claim IP on a line graph. The best product will win, and your public cries of unfairness/ foul play is not a positive business signal. It looks like CB Insights just dropped off of my investor-data-startups heat-map, which my team is working furiously to re-style, we had copied Techlist.

teddyuk 12y ago

I honestly don't know why someone would go to the effort of starting a company, obviously get some funding and entry to yc and not want the app to be unique and well thought out (not saying yours isn't) - I would want to put my mark all over it and the ui is critical to what customers see. It is just stupid and shows bad judgment, not a company I would use.

tablet 12y ago

So someone stole your design and you cry out? WTF? Is it a kind of PR campaign? Get back to work and do something fucking unique that other can't easily steal. Invent. Cool inventions even in UI are hard to steal. You have NOTHING FUCKING SPECIAL in this design to cry about it.