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Read about it 15 years ago in a Belgian magazine. A Belgian doctor was claiming the same. To be quite honest I use it already for 15 years and indeed it change

by toadi 12y ago

Read about it 15 years ago in a Belgian magazine. A Belgian doctor was claiming the same. To be quite honest I use it already for 15 years and indeed it changes you. It helps me to be in "sana in corpore sano". Let's hope the negative health impacts on long term are not to bet so my body stays sano :)

zumtar 12y ago
Do you have children? I hear that TRT causes infertility so you need to abandon any hope of that while you are on it, is this the case?
- collyw 12y ago
  Sign me up!
  - topbanana 12y ago
    My doctor said, when I asked for a vasectomy, "It's a common complaint!"
paulojreis 12y ago
Would you be kind enough to share your experience? I ask you this as a 29 yrs old who's mortified of aging and feels guilty as hell for having a "all-day-sitting" job.
- stinos 12y ago
  mortified of aging Isn't that rather a psychological issue? After all, aging is still quite unavoidable. Would postponing the unavoidable end really make you less mortified? feels guilty Sort of the same remark as above. Moreover, it is (afaik) not proven taking any kind of drug will counter or reverse the damage done by sitting all day - so taking drugs anyway would just act as a placebo: it doesn't really help with the actual problem, but you wouldn't feel guilty because you would think it does help. Which is maybe worse than your current situation as you would be less tempted to find a more suitable solution. Which is hard to figure out without knowing your particular situation, but would typically include things such as less continuous sitting, more breaks, more moving around.
  - paulojreis 12y ago
    > Isn't that rather a psychological issue? After all, aging is still quite unavoidable. Would postponing the unavoidable end really make you less mortified? Well, it was merely a way of saying that I worry about aging. No one is questioning the "unavoidable end", really - I am just interested in the idea of aging without losing too much life "quality". > Sort of the same remark as above. Moreover, it is (afaik) not proven taking any kind of drug will counter or reverse the damage done by sitting all day - so taking drugs anyway would just act as a placebo: it doesn't really help with the actual problem, but you wouldn't feel guilty because you would think it does help. Which is maybe worse than your current situation as you would be less tempted to find a more suitable solution. Which is hard to figure out without knowing your particular situation, but would typically include things such as less continuous sitting, more breaks, more moving around. As above, please, don't take this as a "personal drama". I'm not really looking for any miracle drug. I get up hourly to stretch and drink water. I workout 4 times a week and do my best to keep nutrition in order. As I said above, I'm just curious; the user "toadi" has an experience which seems interesting, which is (only) what I asked for. Just a quick remark, this is not strictly true: "would just act as a placebo: it doesn't really help with the actual problem". A placebo can really help with "actual" problems.
  - brianwski 12y ago
    > aging is still quite unavoidable. Would postponing > the unavoidable end really make you less mortified? Yes, I want to postpone the unavoidable. Death is unavoidable, I'm trying to postpone it. I will probably be in a wheel chair like my father eventually, yes I want to postpone that as long as possible so I can walk around in nature and enjoy it. If my hearing starts to fail, I will get hearing aids to try to postpone deafness as long as possible. (My elderly mother wears hearing aids.) I don't care if deafness is inevitable, I will fight for every extra day of hearing birds chirping and the hearing the ocean waves. What am I missing? Isn't everybody just like me? SOME parts of aging are Ok, but most of them are super bad - when your bones get thin due to Osteoporosis if you fall you might break a bone, which in turn might end your life. Nobody wants to get Osteoporosis sooner, we are all trying to postpone it as long as possible, right?
    - 12y ago
- dash2 12y ago
  When I was 29, I felt just the same. Then I hit 30... and realised it doesn't matter. Relax. Worrying about being too old at 29 is absurd. When you are 39, I promise you, you will think back and laugh yourself silly. The all day sitting job might be a real problem, though.
- ansible 12y ago
  Changing to sitting on an exercise ball or going to a standing desk is a less severe thing to try to increase your overall activity level. Cheap too.
- epaladin 12y ago
  Same age... this thread is really making me feel old. Generally I still feel like I'm just getting out here and just getting started still in terms of career, life, etc. I really hope it's not all downhill from 30! Related to the main subject, I don't think my levels have ever been low, but I've always been surprised at how quickly I lose muscle mass when I'm not working out. That might be more related to protein intake and other genetic factors though, since I've always been pretty lean.
  - saiya-jin 12y ago
    Nah, you can start gym/intense excercise anytime, I started about... 31? Major imporovement in about everything, including sex (you don't get tired so easily for example). There is no "too late" age. As for losing muscles - our bodies run in "least necessary amount needed" mode, since muscles are nutritient-hungry to sustain if not needed. You need to constantly push them to even sustain your level of strength/endurance. If I stop all my activities for 2 weeks, you feel horribly weak when coming back. Marathon runner could write books about it :)
- loucal 12y ago
  I don't think more testosterone will help if you are sitting all day. You'd have to make up for all that sitting time with gym time otherwise even low dose testosterone will do nothing but help you gain hair and fat (well and some muscle even if you are sitting but it will probably be negligible). When I first got on testosterone I realized why most males always envied my ability to eat whatever I want without putting on body fat. That changed immediately, within a week I had to watch what I ate bc I noticed some fat building on my lower abdomen.

by toadi 12y ago

zumtar 12y ago

Do you have children? I hear that TRT causes infertility so you need to abandon any hope of that while you are on it, is this the case?

collyw 12y ago
Sign me up!
- topbanana 12y ago
  My doctor said, when I asked for a vasectomy, "It's a common complaint!"

paulojreis 12y ago

Would you be kind enough to share your experience? I ask you this as a 29 yrs old who's mortified of aging and feels guilty as hell for having a "all-day-sitting" job.

stinos 12y ago
mortified of aging Isn't that rather a psychological issue? After all, aging is still quite unavoidable. Would postponing the unavoidable end really make you less mortified? feels guilty Sort of the same remark as above. Moreover, it is (afaik) not proven taking any kind of drug will counter or reverse the damage done by sitting all day - so taking drugs anyway would just act as a placebo: it doesn't really help with the actual problem, but you wouldn't feel guilty because you would think it does help. Which is maybe worse than your current situation as you would be less tempted to find a more suitable solution. Which is hard to figure out without knowing your particular situation, but would typically include things such as less continuous sitting, more breaks, more moving around.
- paulojreis 12y ago
  > Isn't that rather a psychological issue? After all, aging is still quite unavoidable. Would postponing the unavoidable end really make you less mortified? Well, it was merely a way of saying that I worry about aging. No one is questioning the "unavoidable end", really - I am just interested in the idea of aging without losing too much life "quality". > Sort of the same remark as above. Moreover, it is (afaik) not proven taking any kind of drug will counter or reverse the damage done by sitting all day - so taking drugs anyway would just act as a placebo: it doesn't really help with the actual problem, but you wouldn't feel guilty because you would think it does help. Which is maybe worse than your current situation as you would be less tempted to find a more suitable solution. Which is hard to figure out without knowing your particular situation, but would typically include things such as less continuous sitting, more breaks, more moving around. As above, please, don't take this as a "personal drama". I'm not really looking for any miracle drug. I get up hourly to stretch and drink water. I workout 4 times a week and do my best to keep nutrition in order. As I said above, I'm just curious; the user "toadi" has an experience which seems interesting, which is (only) what I asked for. Just a quick remark, this is not strictly true: "would just act as a placebo: it doesn't really help with the actual problem". A placebo can really help with "actual" problems.
- brianwski 12y ago
  > aging is still quite unavoidable. Would postponing > the unavoidable end really make you less mortified? Yes, I want to postpone the unavoidable. Death is unavoidable, I'm trying to postpone it. I will probably be in a wheel chair like my father eventually, yes I want to postpone that as long as possible so I can walk around in nature and enjoy it. If my hearing starts to fail, I will get hearing aids to try to postpone deafness as long as possible. (My elderly mother wears hearing aids.) I don't care if deafness is inevitable, I will fight for every extra day of hearing birds chirping and the hearing the ocean waves. What am I missing? Isn't everybody just like me? SOME parts of aging are Ok, but most of them are super bad - when your bones get thin due to Osteoporosis if you fall you might break a bone, which in turn might end your life. Nobody wants to get Osteoporosis sooner, we are all trying to postpone it as long as possible, right?
  - 12y ago
dash2 12y ago
When I was 29, I felt just the same. Then I hit 30... and realised it doesn't matter. Relax. Worrying about being too old at 29 is absurd. When you are 39, I promise you, you will think back and laugh yourself silly. The all day sitting job might be a real problem, though.
ansible 12y ago
Changing to sitting on an exercise ball or going to a standing desk is a less severe thing to try to increase your overall activity level. Cheap too.
epaladin 12y ago
Same age... this thread is really making me feel old. Generally I still feel like I'm just getting out here and just getting started still in terms of career, life, etc. I really hope it's not all downhill from 30! Related to the main subject, I don't think my levels have ever been low, but I've always been surprised at how quickly I lose muscle mass when I'm not working out. That might be more related to protein intake and other genetic factors though, since I've always been pretty lean.
- saiya-jin 12y ago
  Nah, you can start gym/intense excercise anytime, I started about... 31? Major imporovement in about everything, including sex (you don't get tired so easily for example). There is no "too late" age. As for losing muscles - our bodies run in "least necessary amount needed" mode, since muscles are nutritient-hungry to sustain if not needed. You need to constantly push them to even sustain your level of strength/endurance. If I stop all my activities for 2 weeks, you feel horribly weak when coming back. Marathon runner could write books about it :)
loucal 12y ago
I don't think more testosterone will help if you are sitting all day. You'd have to make up for all that sitting time with gym time otherwise even low dose testosterone will do nothing but help you gain hair and fat (well and some muscle even if you are sitting but it will probably be negligible). When I first got on testosterone I realized why most males always envied my ability to eat whatever I want without putting on body fat. That changed immediately, within a week I had to watch what I ate bc I noticed some fat building on my lower abdomen.