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Decentralize all the things.

by junto 12y ago

eloisant 12y ago
Well Bittorrent is decentralized, because you can use one of the other dozens of torrent sites that exist besides TPB.
- xyzzy123 12y ago
  Yep. The protocol is one thing, but what's also needed is distributed curation. This is a trickier problem that no one has solved yet [for a universal system where no-one has to go to jail]. There's a user story in this: "I use this thing to get stuff that I want". If the system backing that action isn't distributed then it's vulnerable. For the average user, a legit torrent site is indistinguishable from a spam site. TPB have actually done an enormous service to the Internet for years by reducing the amount of malware installed by "download assistants" and so on. Despite the issues with many of the torrents themselves.
  - sarciszewski 12y ago
    > This is a trickier problem that no one has solved yet [for a universal system where no-one has to go to jail]. http://yacy.net/ http://yacy.net/ http://conferences.sigcomm.org/sigcomm/2013/papers/sigcomm/p303.pdf http://conferences.sigcomm.org/sigcomm/2013/papers/sigcomm/p... The pieces are there, it's just a matter of motivating a group of sophisticated developers to tackle this problem.
    - hamstergene 12y ago
      I don't see anything by that links about how they plan to fight off spam, scam and unwanted content (drugs/terrorists/illegal porn/etc). The problem is that the first moment such network gets traction, someone will set up a robot which will make submissions of random data named "Game of Thrones S0xE0y" every second, effectively rendering search useless. The real challenge is to solve problem of decentralised moderation, not to create a decentralised network.
- rakoo 12y ago
  You must be talking about indexing torrents then, which has nothing to do with bittorrent per se. It's "just" a website where people drop content and comments evaluating the quality of said content. Indexes are used for searching for and retrieving content. Bittorrent is decentralized, but Bittorrent (the protocol) says nothing about how you retrieve a torrent. It starts the moment you have retrieved a torrent (or, possibly, a magnet link), and not before.

Decentralize all the things.

by junto 12y ago

Decentralize all the things.

eloisant 12y ago

Well Bittorrent is decentralized, because you can use one of the other dozens of torrent sites that exist besides TPB.

xyzzy123 12y ago
Yep. The protocol is one thing, but what's also needed is distributed curation. This is a trickier problem that no one has solved yet [for a universal system where no-one has to go to jail]. There's a user story in this: "I use this thing to get stuff that I want". If the system backing that action isn't distributed then it's vulnerable. For the average user, a legit torrent site is indistinguishable from a spam site. TPB have actually done an enormous service to the Internet for years by reducing the amount of malware installed by "download assistants" and so on. Despite the issues with many of the torrents themselves.
- sarciszewski 12y ago
  > This is a trickier problem that no one has solved yet [for a universal system where no-one has to go to jail]. http://yacy.net/ http://yacy.net/ http://conferences.sigcomm.org/sigcomm/2013/papers/sigcomm/p303.pdf http://conferences.sigcomm.org/sigcomm/2013/papers/sigcomm/p... The pieces are there, it's just a matter of motivating a group of sophisticated developers to tackle this problem.
  - hamstergene 12y ago
    I don't see anything by that links about how they plan to fight off spam, scam and unwanted content (drugs/terrorists/illegal porn/etc). The problem is that the first moment such network gets traction, someone will set up a robot which will make submissions of random data named "Game of Thrones S0xE0y" every second, effectively rendering search useless. The real challenge is to solve problem of decentralised moderation, not to create a decentralised network.
rakoo 12y ago
You must be talking about indexing torrents then, which has nothing to do with bittorrent per se. It's "just" a website where people drop content and comments evaluating the quality of said content. Indexes are used for searching for and retrieving content. Bittorrent is decentralized, but Bittorrent (the protocol) says nothing about how you retrieve a torrent. It starts the moment you have retrieved a torrent (or, possibly, a magnet link), and not before.