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I'm curious if the lag between change and impact is about equivalent to the tenure of a management employee.

TeMPOraL 12y ago
I'm pretty sure that's the case. This seems like an equilibrium point for the system.
lisa_henderson 12y ago
More important is the average tenure of the shareholder. Much wealth now resides in organizations that do not play a traditional ownership role. Mutual funds need to rebalance, typically every month or every quarter. Pension funds and hedge funds are actively traded. Average share holding is now less than 2 years. Doing whats best for the shareholder means gutting the company and maximizing profits for the next 2 years. This is why the well run companies tend to be those where the founding family still holds a large block of shares -- they tend to think long term. And this would include IBM during its Golden Age.
- TeMPOraL 12y ago
  My God. I didn't know that. No wonder corporations must focus on profit if shareholders keep flowing in and out, and each one treats their companies as abstract money-generating entities. I mean, we can call this "not playing a traditional ownership role" but I can't shake the feeling there's something deeply wrong with that. We're buildings piles of layers of abstraction and the most important people are the ones who are most separated from you, don't know or care about you at all, and yet they "own" you and can tell you what to do. How on Earth one is supposed to run a company like that? Also, didn't similar abstraction cause the housing market collapse in 2008? > This is why the well run companies tend to be those where the founding family still holds a large block of shares -- they tend to think long term. Yes, I've observed that too. That's why I tend to believe, say, Google when they talk about pro-bono plans much more than any other IT corp. That's why I believe Musk can and will pull off things he says while his competitors will lag behind - because he both has a vision and holds SpaceX in iron grip. He doesn't have to follow the market if he choses not to.
- crdoconnor 12y ago
  >Average share holding is now less than 2 years. Technically yes. It's actually 22 seconds: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/investing/9021946/How-long-does-the-average-share-holding-last-Just-22-seconds.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/investing...

I'm pretty sure that's the case. This seems like an equilibrium point for the system.

More important is the average tenure of the shareholder. Much wealth now resides in organizations that do not play a traditional ownership role. Mutual funds need to rebalance, typically every month or every quarter. Pension funds and hedge funds are actively traded. Average share holding is now less than 2 years. Doing whats best for the shareholder means gutting the company and maximizing profits for the next 2 years. This is why the well run companies tend to be those where the founding family still holds a large block of shares -- they tend to think long term. And this would include IBM during its Golden Age.

TeMPOraL 12y ago
My God. I didn't know that. No wonder corporations must focus on profit if shareholders keep flowing in and out, and each one treats their companies as abstract money-generating entities. I mean, we can call this "not playing a traditional ownership role" but I can't shake the feeling there's something deeply wrong with that. We're buildings piles of layers of abstraction and the most important people are the ones who are most separated from you, don't know or care about you at all, and yet they "own" you and can tell you what to do. How on Earth one is supposed to run a company like that? Also, didn't similar abstraction cause the housing market collapse in 2008? > This is why the well run companies tend to be those where the founding family still holds a large block of shares -- they tend to think long term. Yes, I've observed that too. That's why I tend to believe, say, Google when they talk about pro-bono plans much more than any other IT corp. That's why I believe Musk can and will pull off things he says while his competitors will lag behind - because he both has a vision and holds SpaceX in iron grip. He doesn't have to follow the market if he choses not to.
crdoconnor 12y ago
>Average share holding is now less than 2 years. Technically yes. It's actually 22 seconds: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/investing/9021946/How-long-does-the-average-share-holding-last-Just-22-seconds.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/investing...