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You pay to guarantee availability. The urgency of netflix is not equivalent to a surgery. The netflix traffic is a threat to the surgery traffic. The ISP doe

You pay to guarantee availability. The urgency of netflix is not equivalent to a surgery. The netflix traffic is a threat to the surgery traffic. The ISP doesn't extort- the customer pays for service guarantees. This is already what happens today in MPLS vpns. Savvy technologists are going to demand guarantees that other tenants can't disrupt their service. This is in no way a mafia-like protection scam. There is a certain allotment of bandwidth available at any given time at any given link. You can allow for reservations so that some tenants cannot encroach upon your guaranteed bandwidth for that link. This shit is already happening all the time on amazon aws, azure, google app engine, etc. These are not new concepts. Mafia protection is- pay us or we take you down. What I'm describing is- you pay so that a netflix premier doesn't disrupt your service. I'm having a hard time understanding how you can feel a service like cloudflare is not mafia-like protection.

bequanna 12y ago
Cloudflare is opt-in. In my scenario, the ISP purposely degrades the service unless you pay more. This isn't hypothetical as it has been proven they did/do to Netflix traffic. Cloudflare isn't going to DDoS every site that doesn't sign up for their service. The value of doing surgery successfully via the internet is high. Are you really that naive that you don't think ISPs will attempt to capture as much of that value as they possibly can? Do you want to live in a world where an ISP determines the worth of your internet traffic and attempts to bill you based on the content, not the actual bandwidth used?
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    > You are subscribing to ad hominem attacks, without knowledge of how these services get built, paid for & capitalized upon. Please. Your company provides a commodity. You are a utility and soon will be regulated as such. There is nothing special about what you do vs. ISPx ISPy or ISPz. If our current model worked, we (the US) wouldn't have third-world quality internet at first world prices. I am a pretty conservative guy, but in this case: enough is enough. You guys got greedy, and people are pissed. > I work for an ISP Change is coming. Prepare accordingly.
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bequanna 12y ago

Cloudflare is opt-in. In my scenario, the ISP purposely degrades the service unless you pay more. This isn't hypothetical as it has been proven they did/do to Netflix traffic. Cloudflare isn't going to DDoS every site that doesn't sign up for their service. The value of doing surgery successfully via the internet is high. Are you really that naive that you don't think ISPs will attempt to capture as much of that value as they possibly can? Do you want to live in a world where an ISP determines the worth of your internet traffic and attempts to bill you based on the content, not the actual bandwidth used?

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- bequanna 12y ago
  > You are subscribing to ad hominem attacks, without knowledge of how these services get built, paid for & capitalized upon. Please. Your company provides a commodity. You are a utility and soon will be regulated as such. There is nothing special about what you do vs. ISPx ISPy or ISPz. If our current model worked, we (the US) wouldn't have third-world quality internet at first world prices. I am a pretty conservative guy, but in this case: enough is enough. You guys got greedy, and people are pissed. > I work for an ISP Change is coming. Prepare accordingly.
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