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If you think of it with the wide-scope idea that winning economically means having more money than anybody else. Fact is there're a lot of developers who've mad

by unalone 17y ago

If you think of it with the wide-scope idea that winning economically means having more money than anybody else. Fact is there're a lot of developers who've made a shitload of money off Mac-only software, and they apparently have much more fun designing their apps for a gorgeous piece of architecture. That's a trade-off I'd make without thinking. But that's right. Delicious Monster, the Omni Group, Panic Inc., all are fools. Tell yourself that.

mahmud 17y ago
Those Mac-only shops chose to leave money on the table. I, personally, will not. Refusing to have a Windows box, even for testing, is like wanting to do business in Latin America and not having in-house Spanish expertise: sure, you can make a boatload of money in Brazil and have a healthy career, but it's nowhere near your full potential. Multiplatform support makes a difference between a software "shop" and a software firm.
- unalone 17y ago
  That's one of the worst similes I've ever heard. I wish people who didn't understand the English language would stop trying to be impressive with it. Stick to clarity until you're sharp enough to have a style. If you define potential by "how many people have I sold something to", then you're a sad, sad person. I could never judge a life by something that arbitrary and unnecessary. In this case especially, where developing for Windows means you're giving up a part of your soul. I'll assume you've never ever ever used a Mac application before, because you're acting like there's no difference between a Mac app and a Windows app, but I assure you that the difference is staggering.
  - mahmud 17y ago
    The benefits of taking a stab at the huge win32 market far outweigh the cost of hiring an specialist team to target the platform. You named a few "boutique" Mac shops ignoring the staggering number of successful companies that have products for both platforms.
    - unalone 17y ago
      So, mahmud, what's the lesson we just learned here? That you can be successful regardless of if you're boutique or enormous! Good! You agree with me! > far outweigh the cost of hiring an specialist team to target the platform. What the fuck are you talking about? We were discussing application development! You said that if you don't develop for Windows you're at an economic disadvantage! Where, in God's holy name, did you get "hiring a specialist team" out of that? Are you on something?
- gommm 17y ago
  I don't agree with you... They didn't leave money on the table, they decided to focus on one thing to do it well instead of targeting everyone... Doing cross-platform application comes at a cost (and not only in term of development time), even if it works well, the apps always feel a bit off compared to the rest of the apps on the platform (especially on mac) and that has an impact on usability, sales and so on.... Now for webapps, it's a different matter... but I'd still argue that if you are sure that a very small proportion of your userbase uses Internet Explorer 6, it might not make economic sense to support them because the cost of paying someone to do so is higher than the revenue generated by those users.

by unalone 17y ago

mahmud 17y ago

Those Mac-only shops chose to leave money on the table. I, personally, will not. Refusing to have a Windows box, even for testing, is like wanting to do business in Latin America and not having in-house Spanish expertise: sure, you can make a boatload of money in Brazil and have a healthy career, but it's nowhere near your full potential. Multiplatform support makes a difference between a software "shop" and a software firm.

unalone 17y ago
That's one of the worst similes I've ever heard. I wish people who didn't understand the English language would stop trying to be impressive with it. Stick to clarity until you're sharp enough to have a style. If you define potential by "how many people have I sold something to", then you're a sad, sad person. I could never judge a life by something that arbitrary and unnecessary. In this case especially, where developing for Windows means you're giving up a part of your soul. I'll assume you've never ever ever used a Mac application before, because you're acting like there's no difference between a Mac app and a Windows app, but I assure you that the difference is staggering.
- mahmud 17y ago
  The benefits of taking a stab at the huge win32 market far outweigh the cost of hiring an specialist team to target the platform. You named a few "boutique" Mac shops ignoring the staggering number of successful companies that have products for both platforms.
  - unalone 17y ago
    So, mahmud, what's the lesson we just learned here? That you can be successful regardless of if you're boutique or enormous! Good! You agree with me! > far outweigh the cost of hiring an specialist team to target the platform. What the fuck are you talking about? We were discussing application development! You said that if you don't develop for Windows you're at an economic disadvantage! Where, in God's holy name, did you get "hiring a specialist team" out of that? Are you on something?
gommm 17y ago
I don't agree with you... They didn't leave money on the table, they decided to focus on one thing to do it well instead of targeting everyone... Doing cross-platform application comes at a cost (and not only in term of development time), even if it works well, the apps always feel a bit off compared to the rest of the apps on the platform (especially on mac) and that has an impact on usability, sales and so on.... Now for webapps, it's a different matter... but I'd still argue that if you are sure that a very small proportion of your userbase uses Internet Explorer 6, it might not make economic sense to support them because the cost of paying someone to do so is higher than the revenue generated by those users.