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I got downvoted, but I was serious. A major reason that Windows users don't switch to Macs is the cost. Everything in the Mac ecosystem costs more. The mice, th
by elblanco 17y ago
I got downvoted, but I was serious. A major reason that Windows users don't switch to Macs is the cost. Everything in the Mac ecosystem costs more. The mice, the monitors, the software.
Case in point: Windows XP was released in 2001. Users didn't have to pay a dime to go through three fairly major updates to the software (SP1, SP2 and SP3) and many many many minor updates. Each one making the OS better, faster, more stable, more secure, etc.
That's 7 years of support for the initial purchase price, which was probably for most people either hidden in the cost of the machine as an OEM price,(AND the hardware was likely 20-40% lower than the cost of a similarly equipped Mac) or an upgrade from Windows 98, which probably ran around $50.
So 10 years of fairly major operating system updates cost < $150 depending.
rimantas said "and upgrade from 10.5 "Leopard" to 10.6 "Snow Leopard" is only $29."
But in Microsoft land, the update from 10.5 -> 10.6 would have been $0 considering how minor the differences are between the two versions.
This is really the great divide that Apple fans simply don't understand. If I have to pay $25 for a text editor (WriteRoom) on a Mac, or $0 for a choice of thousands of similar tools on a PC. I'll choose $0.
If I have to pay $70 for a mouse on a Mac, or $10 for a mouse on a PC, I'll choose $10.
The thread above is about ways to entice Windows users to Macs. The thrust was, "if Apple just stuck a VM out there with Snow Leopard on it for Windows users to bang on, they would loose their minds and run out and buy an entire office full of Apple stuff".
My response is, "no they won't". Modern Windows OSs are actually pretty nice places to be(even Vista to a point), the delta between OSX 10.6 and Windows 7 is not as great as say 10.1 and Windows XP used to be. Thus "getting hands on" will not be the same kind of enticement as it used to be. If Apple seriously wants to pull over more Windows users and grow their user base, they have to adjust their pricing model.
That's unlikely to happen though because:
a) Seriously, Apple won't take over the computing world anytime soon even if their hardware was $0, there is too much momentum.
b) Apple is wildly profitable with a smaller userbase. All they have to do is maintain the userbase and if they can grow it a few percent a year without adjusting pricing, fantastic.
c) The Apple software/hardware ecosystem still doesn't have the depth and breadth of the equivalent Windows one. Lots of people have lots of things they need to do that they can't on a Mac. Many times there simply isn't "an app for that".
The current response is "well just install Parallels". Which is again, another fantastic demonstration of pricing insensitivity. So for the average Windows user to switch 100% to a Mac, they have to
a) Buy new hardware with a 20-40% markup over similarly equipped PC hardware
b) Buy new software, in many cases old freeware software many people get by with on the PCs simply isn't available at $0, and instead we end up with $25 text editors as replacements.
c) Buy parallels at $xxx dollars
d) Buy the Windows OS again
So to switch to a Mac and achieve equivalent levels of functionality I'm already well over the $499 for an average level PC + the cost of my Office 2007 variant to get up to speed.
And it's not really clear that the buy-in price really bought anything special or new to the end-user.
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Here's a perfect example
http://www.techdealdigger.com/pr/cheap-dell-vostro-220-desktop-core-2-duo-4gb-ddr2-win7-premium-deals/2412 http://www.techdealdigger.com/pr/cheap-dell-vostro-220-deskt...
"Dell Vostro 220 Desktop Core 2 Duo E5300, 4GB DDR2, 320 GB HDD, DVD Burner, Windows 7 Premium bundled with a 1TB Western Digital My Book Essential Drive for just $394 plus shipping." Comes with a mouse and keyboard. Add in 21.5" monitor for $150 and $10 speakers and I could buy two of these for the price of the lowest, bargain basement iMac.
This kind of pricing doesn't even exist in the world of Apple. At this price point, the system is practically disposable in a year. Who cares if the build quality is such that it won't take a bullet? I have a spare in the closet!
- slig 17y agoI don't know since when, but it's possible to use a pc mouse and keyboard on a mac. And yes, the right button works as expected.
- elblanco 17y agoSince along time ago. Good, so I can recreate my PC computing experience at twice the price. Not a reason to switch.
- dzlobin 17y agoProtip: apple's $60 magic mouse != a regular $10 mouse. For that matter the mouse on my pc ( logitech g5, one of the few great mice available) is the same $60.
- elblanco 17y agoProtip: Don't use overpriced hardware that everybody complains about (clogs up, cramped hands) as an example of superiority. Considering the very large number of complaints about clogged up $60 magic mice, I'm convinced that my $10 dell bargain bin mouse is better. Plus if it breaks, I can use one of the 5 others backup mice I bought for the same price.
- stevejohnson 17y agoGiven that the Magic Mouse was released this week, I doubt people have had a chance to clog them up. Apple removed the part of the mouse that would get clogged up, replacing the functionality with nifty touchy gesture thingies.
- elblanco 17y agoSorry I misspoke, the Mighty Mouse was the one that got clogged.
- pcc 17y ago1. Your "everything" statement is missing parts of the Mac ecosystem; for example that the dev tools for the Mac cost $0, or that Apple's equivalent to MS Office costs less while having features better suited to certain sets of users. 2. I had an opportunity to start using Mac a year ago, after being a huge skeptic. I've since concluded that I'll happily pay the premium, because the value of the boost in productivity is far higher.