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Thank god, we still need somebody to write that API.

by valevk 12y ago

smacktoward 12y ago
For now.
cubano 12y ago
Do we really? And for how long do you think that job may be safe from automation?
- TheOtherHobbes 12y ago
  I was thinking a while back that an obvious AI application would be to replace the entire management structure of a corporation. All of it. All the way up to the C-Suite. This would naturally improve efficiency, and in not a few cases it would probably apply a significant multiplier to overall profitability. That doesn't mean it would be a good idea politically or socially - although depending on the value system and long-term strategic insight of the AI, it might be an improvement there too. You could even have an automated YC, where a model of Paul Graham selects between different business models produced by a selection of AI agents. This could just be a joke, but to be honest I'm not completely sure it's not a serious prediction.
  - gertef 12y ago
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized_Autonomous_Organization http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized_Autonomous_Organi...
  - deleted 12y ago
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- cooper12 12y ago
  I think people are looking at this too drastically. Machines can only replace humans up to a certain point. They're ideal for easily quantifiable and scripted tasks, but past that there needs to be human contact and judgement involved. At worse, we'll just have new jobs for people to maintain these systems, one level of abstraction higher, and even then there will still be legacy systems and people who are slow to adopt. For this specific example, I haven't been following AI that much, but from the news it doesn't seem to be advancing that far. Sure, we have self-driving cars, but a whole team went into creating them, and before that there were teams involved in image recognition, mapping, navigation, engineering, and more. Natural language processing has advanced pretty far though, I'll give you that. But there's a lot of stuff that happens in between the query "Siri, what's the Weather?" and the response and people will need to be involved in the processes in between.
  - SCHiM 12y ago
    > "can only replace humans up to a certain point" But with advances in both hardware (3d memory, memresistors, neural network chips, graphite), and software(recent advances in CV, statistics, deep neural networks) that point is moving forward all the time. Not too long ago we couldn't imagine that a computer could recognise house numbers and streets names in arbitrary fonts, but that is what powers google maps. Luckily in this case the technology has not replaced a huge workforce of would-be google-mappers. But that doesn't mean that it can't be done. Technology, and especially AI has the potential to be enormously disruptive. And even if the risk seems remote, it's too big to ignore imo.
    - c22 12y ago
      Fortunately by the time that point moves to "100% of human based endeavors" we will be yielding the planet to our new AI overlords and we can pat ourselves on the back for being the first species in history to execute its own extinction and successive lifeforms.
    - cooper12 12y ago
      Yes, I'm not disagreeing that we're making huge progress. My main argument was that it's only going to advance up to a certain point. For one thing, computing power is reaching it's limits. Many consider Moore's law to be dying [0], at that point the advent of the future will rely on the discovery or implementation of a new material like graphene or a quantum computer. Then we have limits in storage and computation, but of course those can be surmounted using smart software (RAID and hadoop come to mind). I'm not saying you're wrong, just that there's a limit to all of it. HN seems to be stuck on some singularity, but personally I just think it's a byproduct of futurology. Just look at the past and how they envisioned the future. Heck, we can study the industrial revolution and the reaction of Luddites, but people still have jobs today. Like I said, we might just have to move an abstraction higher, just like how we went from manual labor, to controlling machines that do manual labor. Also, just a nitpick but all that google maps OCR was done by humans via Captcha. [0]: http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1319330 http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1319330
- taivare 12y ago
  Automation aside, the upward trend in indie an self publishing will eventually impact the traditional publishing industry, decentralization of industries such as these will displace many middle class workers in New York city.
- lmm 12y ago
  As a programmer I already find most of my job consists of making better tools to do my "actual" job with. Directly implementing business functionality is <20% of my time. I'm much more productive than I was 5 or 10 years ago - but my job gets more interesting, not less, as I move up the parts I do "by hand" to a higher and higher level.
fudged71 12y ago
god.thank(foo); Dispatches human to nearest place of worship to thank god for 'foo'.
- robotnoises 12y ago
  Just to be safe... var gods = celestialBeingRepository.Where(x => x.IsGod); foreach (var god in gods) { god.Thank(); }
legrandkay 12y ago
Word on the street is IBM's Watson is getting pretty smart

Thank god, we still need somebody to write that API.

by valevk 12y ago

Thank god, we still need somebody to write that API.

smacktoward 12y ago

For now.

cubano 12y ago

Do we really? And for how long do you think that job may be safe from automation?

TheOtherHobbes 12y ago
I was thinking a while back that an obvious AI application would be to replace the entire management structure of a corporation. All of it. All the way up to the C-Suite. This would naturally improve efficiency, and in not a few cases it would probably apply a significant multiplier to overall profitability. That doesn't mean it would be a good idea politically or socially - although depending on the value system and long-term strategic insight of the AI, it might be an improvement there too. You could even have an automated YC, where a model of Paul Graham selects between different business models produced by a selection of AI agents. This could just be a joke, but to be honest I'm not completely sure it's not a serious prediction.
- gertef 12y ago
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized_Autonomous_Organization http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized_Autonomous_Organi...
- deleted 12y ago
  [deleted]
cooper12 12y ago
I think people are looking at this too drastically. Machines can only replace humans up to a certain point. They're ideal for easily quantifiable and scripted tasks, but past that there needs to be human contact and judgement involved. At worse, we'll just have new jobs for people to maintain these systems, one level of abstraction higher, and even then there will still be legacy systems and people who are slow to adopt. For this specific example, I haven't been following AI that much, but from the news it doesn't seem to be advancing that far. Sure, we have self-driving cars, but a whole team went into creating them, and before that there were teams involved in image recognition, mapping, navigation, engineering, and more. Natural language processing has advanced pretty far though, I'll give you that. But there's a lot of stuff that happens in between the query "Siri, what's the Weather?" and the response and people will need to be involved in the processes in between.
- SCHiM 12y ago
  > "can only replace humans up to a certain point" But with advances in both hardware (3d memory, memresistors, neural network chips, graphite), and software(recent advances in CV, statistics, deep neural networks) that point is moving forward all the time. Not too long ago we couldn't imagine that a computer could recognise house numbers and streets names in arbitrary fonts, but that is what powers google maps. Luckily in this case the technology has not replaced a huge workforce of would-be google-mappers. But that doesn't mean that it can't be done. Technology, and especially AI has the potential to be enormously disruptive. And even if the risk seems remote, it's too big to ignore imo.
  - c22 12y ago
    Fortunately by the time that point moves to "100% of human based endeavors" we will be yielding the planet to our new AI overlords and we can pat ourselves on the back for being the first species in history to execute its own extinction and successive lifeforms.
  - cooper12 12y ago
    Yes, I'm not disagreeing that we're making huge progress. My main argument was that it's only going to advance up to a certain point. For one thing, computing power is reaching it's limits. Many consider Moore's law to be dying [0], at that point the advent of the future will rely on the discovery or implementation of a new material like graphene or a quantum computer. Then we have limits in storage and computation, but of course those can be surmounted using smart software (RAID and hadoop come to mind). I'm not saying you're wrong, just that there's a limit to all of it. HN seems to be stuck on some singularity, but personally I just think it's a byproduct of futurology. Just look at the past and how they envisioned the future. Heck, we can study the industrial revolution and the reaction of Luddites, but people still have jobs today. Like I said, we might just have to move an abstraction higher, just like how we went from manual labor, to controlling machines that do manual labor. Also, just a nitpick but all that google maps OCR was done by humans via Captcha. [0]: http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1319330 http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1319330
taivare 12y ago
Automation aside, the upward trend in indie an self publishing will eventually impact the traditional publishing industry, decentralization of industries such as these will displace many middle class workers in New York city.
lmm 12y ago
As a programmer I already find most of my job consists of making better tools to do my "actual" job with. Directly implementing business functionality is <20% of my time. I'm much more productive than I was 5 or 10 years ago - but my job gets more interesting, not less, as I move up the parts I do "by hand" to a higher and higher level.

fudged71 12y ago

god.thank(foo); Dispatches human to nearest place of worship to thank god for 'foo'.

robotnoises 12y ago
Just to be safe... var gods = celestialBeingRepository.Where(x => x.IsGod); foreach (var god in gods) { god.Thank(); }

legrandkay 12y ago

Word on the street is IBM's Watson is getting pretty smart