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So if I get it right, there can't be another you because there are too much particles (and possible interactions between them) in the universe. Perhaps there i

by pingou 12y ago

So if I get it right, there can't be another you because there are too much particles (and possible interactions between them) in the universe. Perhaps there isn't a universe where every particle is the same as in ours, but we could be just concerned about the particles our galaxy for example. I might be wrong, but I think it might be theoretically possible to have the same earth in a totally different universe. What I find somewhat counter intuitive is that, the more particles there are, the less our chances are that another version of us exist, I would have said it makes the chances bigger, or at least in our own universe.

coldtea 12y ago
>What I find somewhat counter intuitive is that, the more particles there are, the less our chances are that another version of us exist, I would have said it makes the chances bigger Think of it like this: If a human ("Joe") was just one particle, then the chances of the same human being recreated elsewhere would be 100%. As long as that particle is present, there's Joe. If Joe was made of 100 particles, then the chances are less, because those 100 particles would have to be aligned/interact in the same way, which is much less probable. Or maybe think of it like this: if you throw a dice, to get 6 is quite easy. You have 1 in 6 chances. But if you throw 10 dice to get them all six is very very improbable (1/61/61/6*...). Think of the particles like dice.
- pingou 12y ago
  Yes, the more particles Joe has, the less it is likely that it will be recreated elsewhere. But here I'm talking about particles not being Joe, the rest of the universe. I see it this way, it doesn't matter that I get 10 times a 6 when throwing a dice, I just want a 6, I'm not concerned about the whole process, just about the result. Aren't there many ways to get to a point where particles assemble to form a brain similar to our own? Also, is it possible to ignore the vast majority of the universe, because is a dim light from a star so important, or do we have to, because of the butterfly effect?

by pingou 12y ago

coldtea 12y ago

>What I find somewhat counter intuitive is that, the more particles there are, the less our chances are that another version of us exist, I would have said it makes the chances bigger Think of it like this: If a human ("Joe") was just one particle, then the chances of the same human being recreated elsewhere would be 100%. As long as that particle is present, there's Joe. If Joe was made of 100 particles, then the chances are less, because those 100 particles would have to be aligned/interact in the same way, which is much less probable. Or maybe think of it like this: if you throw a dice, to get 6 is quite easy. You have 1 in 6 chances. But if you throw 10 dice to get them all six is very very improbable (1/61/61/6*...). Think of the particles like dice.

pingou 12y ago
Yes, the more particles Joe has, the less it is likely that it will be recreated elsewhere. But here I'm talking about particles not being Joe, the rest of the universe. I see it this way, it doesn't matter that I get 10 times a 6 when throwing a dice, I just want a 6, I'm not concerned about the whole process, just about the result. Aren't there many ways to get to a point where particles assemble to form a brain similar to our own? Also, is it possible to ignore the vast majority of the universe, because is a dim light from a star so important, or do we have to, because of the butterfly effect?