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Pretty sure he means just the embrace and extend bits.

shmerl 12y ago
The whole thing given Microsoft's history has a very sinister connotation. The author even puts "trusted" in quotes, as if hinting that one shouldn't do such a thing really.
- teh_klev 12y ago
  Journalists and their "scare" quotes. I think people need to get over that period in Microsoft's history. To be honest Oracle, Google, Facebook et al aren't exactly angels when it comes to their own acquire and bury practices.
  - shmerl 12y ago
    > I think people need to get over that period in Microsoft's history. Are you saying they righted their wrongs in this regard? I don't think so. They are slightly better than before may be, but they have a lot of old baggage left. I can't say they stopped their lock-in tactics already and became friendly to open standards. Others have their wrongs as well, but the article is about Microsoft.
    - blumkvist 12y ago
      It is just how to world operates. You are powerful -> you take measures to keep that power. I don't know what all the fuss is about. It's the most natural thing. Did they take it over the top? Yes. Did the DoJ cut them in half for it? Yes. At this point I think it's hipster boys mindless repeating a mantra they haven't even thought about more than 2 minutes in their lives.
      - shmerl 12y ago
        > It is just how to world operates. It's not an excuse for such practices. Or one can use it to excuse any dictator as well. There is no "fuss". Such practices are straight despicable and unacceptable.
        blumkvist 12y ago
        It certainly is. What's the alternative? Let the competition sink your company?
        shmerl 12y ago
        Alternative is to compete by making something good like all normal companies instead of being crooks. Normal ethical business as usual, you know. Unethical business practices have no excuse of "what else could we do?". If you couldn't do business ethically - go out of business.
        blumkvist 12y ago
        If they don't do it, their competitors will. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_theorem_(game_theory) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_theorem_(game_theory) Eat or be eaten. I don't know what you mean by ethical. Ethical means a different thing to different people. You can subscribe to your notion if you operate a small business. If you have are in charge of a megacorp - there are other things to take into consideration.
        shmerl 12y ago
        That's as well an invalid excuse. Say, can you excuse one criminal for being a criminal because if not, another would be in his stead? No, this logic doesn't work. Lock in is an example of unethical business practice. And it can't be excused with "if we won't engage in it, someone else will".

The whole thing given Microsoft's history has a very sinister connotation. The author even puts "trusted" in quotes, as if hinting that one shouldn't do such a thing really.

teh_klev 12y ago
Journalists and their "scare" quotes. I think people need to get over that period in Microsoft's history. To be honest Oracle, Google, Facebook et al aren't exactly angels when it comes to their own acquire and bury practices.
- shmerl 12y ago
  > I think people need to get over that period in Microsoft's history. Are you saying they righted their wrongs in this regard? I don't think so. They are slightly better than before may be, but they have a lot of old baggage left. I can't say they stopped their lock-in tactics already and became friendly to open standards. Others have their wrongs as well, but the article is about Microsoft.
  - blumkvist 12y ago
    It is just how to world operates. You are powerful -> you take measures to keep that power. I don't know what all the fuss is about. It's the most natural thing. Did they take it over the top? Yes. Did the DoJ cut them in half for it? Yes. At this point I think it's hipster boys mindless repeating a mantra they haven't even thought about more than 2 minutes in their lives.
    - shmerl 12y ago
      > It is just how to world operates. It's not an excuse for such practices. Or one can use it to excuse any dictator as well. There is no "fuss". Such practices are straight despicable and unacceptable.
      - blumkvist 12y ago
        It certainly is. What's the alternative? Let the competition sink your company?
        shmerl 12y ago
        Alternative is to compete by making something good like all normal companies instead of being crooks. Normal ethical business as usual, you know. Unethical business practices have no excuse of "what else could we do?". If you couldn't do business ethically - go out of business.
        blumkvist 12y ago
        If they don't do it, their competitors will. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_theorem_(game_theory) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_theorem_(game_theory) Eat or be eaten. I don't know what you mean by ethical. Ethical means a different thing to different people. You can subscribe to your notion if you operate a small business. If you have are in charge of a megacorp - there are other things to take into consideration.
        shmerl 12y ago
        That's as well an invalid excuse. Say, can you excuse one criminal for being a criminal because if not, another would be in his stead? No, this logic doesn't work. Lock in is an example of unethical business practice. And it can't be excused with "if we won't engage in it, someone else will".