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none of those guys can be easily outsourced overseas though

by markyc 12y ago

kfcm 12y ago
That's not entirely correct. Accounting and non-trial legal positions can be outsourced overseas (cf, http://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/article/10741227/what-tax-outsourcing-looks-like-today http://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/article/10741227/what-tax-... ), or H-1Bed. Most of the other positions can have the "cheap labor" come here (eg, legal or illegal aliens). Most of the billable rates don't go to the workers of companies which do this though. But this digresses from my original point. There are independent business owners who do charge the same or more than IT workers on a per hour basis. They know the value of their work (customers either don't know how to do it, or don't want to), and charge accordingly.
deciplex 12y ago
I'm pretty sure your comment was tongue-in-cheek, but I'm taking it at face value for the hell of it: Horror stories of outsourcing cheaply overseas, where doing it ended up delaying the project and sending it way over budget, are so commonplace now that you really need to define 'easily'. I would reword your statement: > none of those guys can be recklessly outsourced overseas though ...but it no longer supports your point :-)
- markyc 12y ago
  countless companies have remote employees or contractors and it seems to work out great for them. there are horror stories about anything under the sun if you look hard enough my point was that the end client will always have more choice regarding building their site than cleaning their pool. they can outsource to elance, get a highschool kid to build on wordpress, use shopify, etc all of them being orders of magnitute cheaper than hiring the local agency with the fancy offices
  - deciplex 12y ago
    The downside to getting the wrong Elancer, or the wrong high school kid, in terms of delays and wages paid, is potentially a lot higher than not having your pool cleaned properly. In my view, you're right about "choice" in the same way you'd be right about the choice of apps on App Store or Google Play. But, you are right that there is more choice, for sure.

none of those guys can be easily outsourced overseas though

by markyc 12y ago

none of those guys can be easily outsourced overseas though

kfcm 12y ago

That's not entirely correct. Accounting and non-trial legal positions can be outsourced overseas (cf, http://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/article/10741227/what-tax-outsourcing-looks-like-today http://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/article/10741227/what-tax-... ), or H-1Bed. Most of the other positions can have the "cheap labor" come here (eg, legal or illegal aliens). Most of the billable rates don't go to the workers of companies which do this though. But this digresses from my original point. There are independent business owners who do charge the same or more than IT workers on a per hour basis. They know the value of their work (customers either don't know how to do it, or don't want to), and charge accordingly.

deciplex 12y ago

I'm pretty sure your comment was tongue-in-cheek, but I'm taking it at face value for the hell of it: Horror stories of outsourcing cheaply overseas, where doing it ended up delaying the project and sending it way over budget, are so commonplace now that you really need to define 'easily'. I would reword your statement: > none of those guys can be recklessly outsourced overseas though ...but it no longer supports your point :-)

markyc 12y ago
countless companies have remote employees or contractors and it seems to work out great for them. there are horror stories about anything under the sun if you look hard enough my point was that the end client will always have more choice regarding building their site than cleaning their pool. they can outsource to elance, get a highschool kid to build on wordpress, use shopify, etc all of them being orders of magnitute cheaper than hiring the local agency with the fancy offices
- deciplex 12y ago
  The downside to getting the wrong Elancer, or the wrong high school kid, in terms of delays and wages paid, is potentially a lot higher than not having your pool cleaned properly. In my view, you're right about "choice" in the same way you'd be right about the choice of apps on App Store or Google Play. But, you are right that there is more choice, for sure.