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Here's an interesting question for you: Your goal is to implement full Chess in the smallest number of bytes. However, you're allowed to design your own instr

Here's an interesting question for you: Your goal is to implement full Chess in the smallest number of bytes. However, you're allowed to design your own instruction set to accomplish this. The instruction set must be Turing complete. Given this, what's the smallest Chess program possible? Is there an ultimate limit, information-theory style? I know there's no easy answer or perhaps no answer at all. Maybe it's an NP-complete problem whose best answer can only be approximated or brute forced. But it's still really interesting to think like, if you toss aside all of the normal constraints, what's the smallest chess program that anyone can make? Bonus points if you dive into experimental instruction sets like imprecise computing or quantum computing, though I doubt those things could help implement a precise rigid ruleset like Chess.

tbirdz 12y ago
I'll define an instruction set with a single instruction CHESS that when executed will play a game of chess with the user. I'm sorry, I know this is a bit of a "snarky" type reply, but I don't really understand what you are driving at with your question. Without more constraints on the question, there's not really any point in searching for the minimum solution.
- Shoop 12y ago
  > The instruction set must be Turing complete.
  - tbirdz 12y ago
    I don't quite see how this requirement changes anything. You could have a full Turing complete instruction set, and still have a CHESS instruction that plays a game of chess with the user. The "Chess program" would still be 1 instruction.
    - sillysaurus3 12y ago
      Well, an instruction set is said to be Turing complete if it can be used to simulate any Turing machine. A single instruction can't, so if you design an instruction set to implement Chess and then don't use it, that's not really the point of the question. Any ideas about how to better specify the rules of the competition to exclude degenerate answers like the one you provided? The goal is to answer the interesting question. You'd never find such a high-level instruction in a real instruction set, because it wouldn't be useful except to play Chess. I'd add a rule like "The goal of your instruction set is to be useful while still implementing Chess," but then that would exclude answers which give interesting instruction sets that aren't necessarily useful except in implementing Chess in the fewest possible bytes. Thanks for pointing out the flaws in my ruleset. I've been toying around with creating a blogpost about this, so having a bulletproof ruleset or at least one that isn't so easily sidestepped would be great.
      - dragonwriter 12y ago
        > Well, an instruction set is said to be Turing complete if it can be used to simulate any Turing machine. A single instruction can't Incorrect. A single instruction can be Turing complete. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_instruction_set_computer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_instruction_set_computer Though the relevant question is whether universal computation can be built on the back of an instruction which plays chess rather than one of the more typical bases for a OISC.
        sillysaurus3 12y ago
        This is awesome. Thank you. What are some typical bases for OSIC?
        taejo 12y ago
        > Though the relevant question is whether universal computation can be built on the back of an instruction which plays chess rather than one of the more typical bases for a OISC. Well you can have two instructions: SUBLEQ and CHESS. Then it's Turing-complete, and there's a one-bit program that plays chess.
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RodgerTheGreat 12y ago
Specify the problem in terms of logic gates. You can spend gates building special-purpose ALUs, you can sink everything into RAM/ROM and have a complex program written in an extremely simple RISC instruction set or strike any balance between. Going with gates instead of transistors keeps things tidy and not tied to any particular strategy for physically building the system.
gambler 12y ago
How well does it need to play? You could just do random moves withinh the allowed rules.
- sillysaurus3 12y ago
  Sure, that's fine. It's not about making an AI but rather implementing chess.

tbirdz 12y ago

I'll define an instruction set with a single instruction CHESS that when executed will play a game of chess with the user. I'm sorry, I know this is a bit of a "snarky" type reply, but I don't really understand what you are driving at with your question. Without more constraints on the question, there's not really any point in searching for the minimum solution.

Shoop 12y ago
> The instruction set must be Turing complete.
- tbirdz 12y ago
  I don't quite see how this requirement changes anything. You could have a full Turing complete instruction set, and still have a CHESS instruction that plays a game of chess with the user. The "Chess program" would still be 1 instruction.
  - sillysaurus3 12y ago
    Well, an instruction set is said to be Turing complete if it can be used to simulate any Turing machine. A single instruction can't, so if you design an instruction set to implement Chess and then don't use it, that's not really the point of the question. Any ideas about how to better specify the rules of the competition to exclude degenerate answers like the one you provided? The goal is to answer the interesting question. You'd never find such a high-level instruction in a real instruction set, because it wouldn't be useful except to play Chess. I'd add a rule like "The goal of your instruction set is to be useful while still implementing Chess," but then that would exclude answers which give interesting instruction sets that aren't necessarily useful except in implementing Chess in the fewest possible bytes. Thanks for pointing out the flaws in my ruleset. I've been toying around with creating a blogpost about this, so having a bulletproof ruleset or at least one that isn't so easily sidestepped would be great.
    - dragonwriter 12y ago
      > Well, an instruction set is said to be Turing complete if it can be used to simulate any Turing machine. A single instruction can't Incorrect. A single instruction can be Turing complete. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_instruction_set_computer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_instruction_set_computer Though the relevant question is whether universal computation can be built on the back of an instruction which plays chess rather than one of the more typical bases for a OISC.
      - sillysaurus3 12y ago
        This is awesome. Thank you. What are some typical bases for OSIC?
      - taejo 12y ago
        > Though the relevant question is whether universal computation can be built on the back of an instruction which plays chess rather than one of the more typical bases for a OISC. Well you can have two instructions: SUBLEQ and CHESS. Then it's Turing-complete, and there's a one-bit program that plays chess.
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RodgerTheGreat 12y ago

Specify the problem in terms of logic gates. You can spend gates building special-purpose ALUs, you can sink everything into RAM/ROM and have a complex program written in an extremely simple RISC instruction set or strike any balance between. Going with gates instead of transistors keeps things tidy and not tied to any particular strategy for physically building the system.

gambler 12y ago

How well does it need to play? You could just do random moves withinh the allowed rules.

sillysaurus3 12y ago
Sure, that's fine. It's not about making an AI but rather implementing chess.