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> Imagine getting into your car and having it say “Oh! Hey. I’m faster now than I was yesterday. You’re welcome!” Because that’s what’s happening. Yes, that is

by IvyMike 12y ago

> Imagine getting into your car and having it say “Oh! Hey. I’m faster now than I was yesterday. You’re welcome!” Because that’s what’s happening. Yes, that is awesome. But on the other hand, in the past I've had updates to my TiVo and my PS3 where I turned it on and it said "Oh! Hey. I'm shittier than I was yesterday. Suck it." And someday, that could happen with Teslas, too. Updates are a mixed bag.

Taek 12y ago
"This car will never speed in construction zones anymore" "This car is now property of pWnz0r. Pay 20btc to {address} to reclaim your car" "This car will only fill up at TSA approved electric stations" "This car will not turn on for anyone with a recent DUI" "This car will not turn on during the Snow Emergency" Some of these are probably not risks given the current capabilities of Tesla's, but future cars might have enough cameras and sensors to enforce such updates.
- tedivm 12y ago
  "Due to your inebriated state the car has been placed in chauffeur mode and is driving you home. After you pay pWnz0r."
- demarq 12y ago
  Future generations will have all sorts of amazing technology and vehicles, but their experiences and freedoms will just never match what we have today... to them we'll be bad-asses who lived danger ever minute of every day on our terms. The way we make movies about the future they'll make movies about our time. And the few of us still remaining we'll make up all sorts of stories to make it sound like everyone alive was an action star. They will be repulsed by what they have become. that or... to them we'll be wreckless and inefficient neanderthals. They'll be just happy to have their governments. Like having this monolithic antivirus installed on society, to keep everyone 'safe'.
  - mattlutze 12y ago
    In such a future, Demolition Man may actually have ended up being known as a scion of things to come, Marco Brambilla heralded in the Smithsonian for his foresight and ingenuity in taking on the project.
  - nawitus 12y ago
    >to them we'll be wreckless and inefficient neanderthals. They'll be just happy to have their governments. Like having this monolithic antivirus installed on society, to keep everyone 'safe'. Does the current society view the people in the past as wreckless and inefficient neanderthals? On average, no. Sure, we view their lives as more dangerous, but we do not view them as wreckless or inefficient neanderthals.
    - loudmax 12y ago
      When I was a kid in the 70's, nobody wore a bike helmet. If we saw a kid wearing a helmet riding a bike, we'd probably beat him up. Today, my wife won't let me ride without a helmet. I've either been civilized or emasculated. In retrospect, I don't think we were neanderthals. But we definitely should have been wearing helmets.
      - nsxwolf 12y ago
        You've been emasculated. But you can take solace in knowing your head is less likely to explode like a melon.
      - Intermernet 12y ago
        Ask yourself honestly, are you using your wife as a convenient excuse? Or would you be wearing a helmet now anyway? :-) I'd go with civilized over emasculated. I think the awareness campaigns of the 80's, as well as generally "growing up", in addition to quite a few near-deadly accidents, have changed my (in hindsight, ridiculously stupid) viewpoint on helmets. In the last 12 months two friends have broken helmets, but survived. If they weren't wearing them, who knows...
      - saiya-jin 12y ago
- mehrdada 12y ago
  Honestly, I find this a lot scarier than rogue AI that Elon worries about, and definitely more of an imminent danger.
- astrange 12y ago
  > "This car will not turn on for anyone with a recent DUI" This one's already happening. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignition_interlock_device http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignition_interlock_device
  - maxerickson 12y ago
    There's some difference between a court order and a software update.
    - masklinn 12y ago
      Also an IID is for a current DUI risk (it's there to prevent DUI), not because you've gotten a DUI recently.
      - antsar 12y ago
        Technically it is because you've gotten a DUI recently. But yes, it is there to prevent (another) DUI.
        masklinn 12y ago
        You can get the IID because you've gotten a DUI "recently", but the IID doesn't refuse to start the car just because you've recently gotten a DUI.
- SideburnsOfDoom 12y ago
  This is present, not future: http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/09/25/starter-interrupt-devices/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/09/25/starter-i...
- uptown 12y ago
  DJI just pushed an update that enforces no-fly-zones for their UAVs over parts of Washington. You have to assume similar types of things will be pushed to cars as they become more automated and connected. http://www.wsj.com/articles/drone-maker-to-disable-some-d-c-drone-flights-after-white-house-crash-1422451954 http://www.wsj.com/articles/drone-maker-to-disable-some-d-c-...
  - andygates 12y ago
    ...and that was about when I decided I didn't have upgrade fever after all.
cma 12y ago
Already happened, after the Tesla fires the cars quit dropping auto-lowering their suspension on the highways for a while. They eventually added it back as a feature you can turn on with a warning.

by IvyMike 12y ago

Taek 12y ago

"This car will never speed in construction zones anymore" "This car is now property of pWnz0r. Pay 20btc to {address} to reclaim your car" "This car will only fill up at TSA approved electric stations" "This car will not turn on for anyone with a recent DUI" "This car will not turn on during the Snow Emergency" Some of these are probably not risks given the current capabilities of Tesla's, but future cars might have enough cameras and sensors to enforce such updates.

tedivm 12y ago
"Due to your inebriated state the car has been placed in chauffeur mode and is driving you home. After you pay pWnz0r."
demarq 12y ago
Future generations will have all sorts of amazing technology and vehicles, but their experiences and freedoms will just never match what we have today... to them we'll be bad-asses who lived danger ever minute of every day on our terms. The way we make movies about the future they'll make movies about our time. And the few of us still remaining we'll make up all sorts of stories to make it sound like everyone alive was an action star. They will be repulsed by what they have become. that or... to them we'll be wreckless and inefficient neanderthals. They'll be just happy to have their governments. Like having this monolithic antivirus installed on society, to keep everyone 'safe'.
- mattlutze 12y ago
  In such a future, Demolition Man may actually have ended up being known as a scion of things to come, Marco Brambilla heralded in the Smithsonian for his foresight and ingenuity in taking on the project.
- nawitus 12y ago
  >to them we'll be wreckless and inefficient neanderthals. They'll be just happy to have their governments. Like having this monolithic antivirus installed on society, to keep everyone 'safe'. Does the current society view the people in the past as wreckless and inefficient neanderthals? On average, no. Sure, we view their lives as more dangerous, but we do not view them as wreckless or inefficient neanderthals.
  - loudmax 12y ago
    When I was a kid in the 70's, nobody wore a bike helmet. If we saw a kid wearing a helmet riding a bike, we'd probably beat him up. Today, my wife won't let me ride without a helmet. I've either been civilized or emasculated. In retrospect, I don't think we were neanderthals. But we definitely should have been wearing helmets.
    - nsxwolf 12y ago
      You've been emasculated. But you can take solace in knowing your head is less likely to explode like a melon.
    - Intermernet 12y ago
      Ask yourself honestly, are you using your wife as a convenient excuse? Or would you be wearing a helmet now anyway? :-) I'd go with civilized over emasculated. I think the awareness campaigns of the 80's, as well as generally "growing up", in addition to quite a few near-deadly accidents, have changed my (in hindsight, ridiculously stupid) viewpoint on helmets. In the last 12 months two friends have broken helmets, but survived. If they weren't wearing them, who knows...
    - saiya-jin 12y ago
mehrdada 12y ago
Honestly, I find this a lot scarier than rogue AI that Elon worries about, and definitely more of an imminent danger.
astrange 12y ago
> "This car will not turn on for anyone with a recent DUI" This one's already happening. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignition_interlock_device http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignition_interlock_device
- maxerickson 12y ago
  There's some difference between a court order and a software update.
  - masklinn 12y ago
    Also an IID is for a current DUI risk (it's there to prevent DUI), not because you've gotten a DUI recently.
    - antsar 12y ago
      Technically it is because you've gotten a DUI recently. But yes, it is there to prevent (another) DUI.
      - masklinn 12y ago
        You can get the IID because you've gotten a DUI "recently", but the IID doesn't refuse to start the car just because you've recently gotten a DUI.
SideburnsOfDoom 12y ago
This is present, not future: http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/09/25/starter-interrupt-devices/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/09/25/starter-i...
uptown 12y ago
DJI just pushed an update that enforces no-fly-zones for their UAVs over parts of Washington. You have to assume similar types of things will be pushed to cars as they become more automated and connected. http://www.wsj.com/articles/drone-maker-to-disable-some-d-c-drone-flights-after-white-house-crash-1422451954 http://www.wsj.com/articles/drone-maker-to-disable-some-d-c-...
- andygates 12y ago
  ...and that was about when I decided I didn't have upgrade fever after all.

cma 12y ago

Already happened, after the Tesla fires the cars quit dropping auto-lowering their suspension on the highways for a while. They eventually added it back as a feature you can turn on with a warning.