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What kind of life is it: 1. Intelligent life that had simply sent out colonizing platforms with technology similar to ours would mean that we would integrate t
by Agustus 12y ago
What kind of life is it:
1. Intelligent life that had simply sent out colonizing platforms with technology similar to ours would mean that we would integrate them (assuming they just cyrogenically froze individuals and sent out thousands of seed ships):
a. Are the seeders capable of transmitting back, if so, is the home planet alive, how long until transmission reaches them, how long until the home planet can send out another seeder ship/support ship? Can we stop them from overpopulating the Earth? Should we stop them?
b. Are the seeders virus ridden? Are we dangerous to them, War of the Worlds style?
c. Are the seeders the only ones in the galaxy? Or are there warring factions? Are we aligning ourselves to the correct side?
2. Intelligent life superior in technological capabilities would:
a. Star Trek: Benevolent overseer
b. Battleship Earth: Enslaver
c. Independence Day: Eradicator of humans
Would we be able to do anything about it, we may be in a situation that Carl Sagan foresaw that we may have the technology, but not the materials to reach a location should a signal reach us saying: "Hey, we can solve all of your problems if you can get a ship to alpha centauri within the next 8 years with two double a batteries. If you do not reach here in 8 years, we will be eradicated by Sunorian Plague."
- civilian 12y agoBlindsight by Peter Watts (http://rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm http://rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm) talks about the possible alien options, and I really enjoy it's answer. --- Once there were three tribes. The Optimists, whose patron saints were Drake and Sagan, believed in a universe crawling with gentle intelligence—spiritual brethren vaster and more enlightened than we, a great galactic siblinghood into whose ranks we would someday ascend. Surely, said the Optimists, space travel implies enlightenment, for it requires the control of great destructive energies. Any race which can't rise above its own brutal instincts will wipe itself out long before it learns to bridge the interstellar gulf. Across from the Optimists sat the Pessimists, who genuflected before graven images of Saint Fermi and a host of lesser lightweights. The Pessimists envisioned a lonely universe full of dead rocks and prokaryotic slime. The odds are just too low, they insisted. Too many rogues, too much radiation, too much eccentricity in too many orbits. It is a surpassing miracle that even one Earth exists; to hope for many is to abandon reason and embrace religious mania. After all, the universe is fourteen billion years old: if the galaxy were alive with intelligence, wouldn't it be here by now? Equidistant to the other two tribes sat the Historians. They didn't have too many thoughts on the probable prevalence of intelligent, spacefaring extraterrestrials— but if there are any, they said, they're not just going to be smart. They're going to be mean. It might seem almost too obvious a conclusion. What is Human history, if not an ongoing succession of greater technologies grinding lesser ones beneath their boots? But the subject wasn't merely Human history, or the unfair advantage that tools gave to any given side; the oppressed snatch up advanced weaponry as readily as the oppressor, given half a chance. No, the real issue was how those tools got there in the first place. The real issue was what tools are for. To the Historians, tools existed for only one reason: to force the universe into unnatural shapes. They treated nature as an enemy, they were by definition a rebellion against the way things were. Technology is a stunted thing in benign environments, it never thrived in any culture gripped by belief in natural harmony. Why invent fusion reactors if your climate is comfortable, if your food is abundant? Why build fortresses if you have no enemies? Why force change upon a world which poses no threat? Human civilization had a lot of branches, not so long ago. Even into the twenty-first century, a few isolated tribes had barely developed stone tools. Some settled down with agriculture. Others weren't content until they had ended nature itself, still others until they'd built cities in space. We all rested eventually, though. Each new technology trampled lesser ones, climbed to some complacent asymptote, and stopped—until my own mother packed herself away like a larva in honeycomb, softened by machinery, robbed of incentive by her own contentment. But history never said that everyone had to stop where we did. It only suggested that those who had stopped no longer struggled for existence. There could be other, more hellish worlds where the best Human technology would crumble, where the environment was still the enemy, where the only survivors were those who fought back with sharper tools and stronger empires. The threats contained in those environments would not be simple ones. Harsh weather and natural disasters either kill you or they don't, and once conquered—or adapted to— they lose their relevance. No, the only environmental factors that continued to matter were those that fought back, that countered new strategies with newer ones, that forced their enemies to scale ever-greater heights just to stay alive. Ultimately, the only enemy that mattered was an intelligent one. And if the best toys do end up in the hands of those who've never forgotten that life itself is an act of war against intelligent opponents, what does that say about a race whose machines travel between the stars? The argument was straightforward enough. It might even have been enough to carry the Historians to victory—if such debates were ever settled on the basic of logic, and if a bored population hadn't already awarded the game to Fermi on points. But the Historian paradigm was just too ugly, too Darwinian, for most people, and besides, no one really cared any more. Not even the Cassidy Survey's late-breaking discoveries changed much. So what if some dirtball at Ursae Majoris Eridani had an oxygen atmosphere? It was forty-three lightyears away, and it wasn't talking; and if you wanted flying chandeliers and alien messiahs, you could build them to order in Heaven. If you wanted testosterone and target practice you could choose an afterlife chock-full of nasty alien monsters with really bad aim. If the mere thought of an alien intelligence threatened your worldview, you could explore a virtual galaxy of empty real estate, ripe and waiting for any God-fearing earthly pilgrims who chanced by.
- MarkPNeyer 12y agothe past isn't all meanness. you win more with friends you trust than with slaves fighting for you. even the greediest king needs to feed his soldiers. doing that is a lot easier when your kingdom is prosperous because your people have property rights and solid contracts. the allies won the second world war because the nazis and the japanese killed or ostracized all of their weirdos. we just kept ours busy cracking their codes. military conflict is only one aspect of history - and i'd say the bonds formed between soldiers matter more than the violence they inflict on each other. technology matters - sure. but you need to account for the technology of trust. a society that is strongly trusting of its internal members because they all have historical records of statements they've made about each other and their relationships, with measured accuracy and self-contradiction frequency - that civilization will be more supportive of its members and quicker to defeat its enemies. see https://github.com/neyer/dewDrop https://github.com/neyer/dewDrop for more on that one. look at game of thrones, and how powerful the stark family remains, even after they are all killed. they are loved, and that's a power that the lannisters totally underestimate, to their failure. even after Ned stark is gone, the love his supporters bore him causes them to stick together, while the tyrells and the lannisters squabble like a bunch of children. Coordinating group effort is really fucking hard. Love, trust, and friendship are way more cost effective than greed and selfishness. love doesn't always win. it doesn't have to. it can wait patiently for greed to chase its tail into a corner and starve itself to death. if love does that, someone who loves it will come by and put it right. look at how many corporations push for diversity - not because they care, but because even a sociopath sees the value in _being seen as_ honest and caring and good. once that becomes extremely difficult to fake, i'm sure it'll affect the entire culture.