I know this is tangential to the original conversation but it touches on something in your comment. Perhaps this will get down-voted, I don't really mind/care.

I know this is tangential to the original conversation but it touches on something in your comment. Perhaps this will get down-voted, I don't really mind/care. I firmly believe involuntary genital mutilation (male/female circumcision) should be outlawed. I find it barbaric that we allow male children in this country (US) to have that done and it's considered normal. If an adult wishes to have it done, then by all means go for it, but leave children the choice. This comes from someone who had it done to them and wishes it had not been done. It's like saying, "oh, we cut off the left hand for religious reasons right after birth."