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That's not my point at all. Unlike you, I don't presume to predict the behavior of people I don't understand so confidently. I never said that they don't care a

by LLWM 12y ago

That's not my point at all. Unlike you, I don't presume to predict the behavior of people I don't understand so confidently. I never said that they don't care about privacy. I suspect all humans care. I just expect them to have a different interpretation of it than you do, and I think it's quite arrogant of you to assume that they will naturally agree with you when their backgrounds are so different from yours. Everyone who is convinced in the rightness of their own views believes "time is on my side", but at least one side is always wrong to do so.

Udo 12y ago
> That's not my point at all. It feels really weird to tell you this, but I do believe that was indeed your point. The original statement was "Those who care about civil rights and an active democracy are young" to which you replied "What makes you think the youth will be on your side? This generation is growing up with twitter and facebook as facts of life." to which I replied "I don't believe the use of social networks is an indicator that a person doesn't care about privacy." to which you replied with a stream of insults. I admit I do have trouble seeing where you're coming from. If I misunderstood you in any way, I apologize.
- LLWM 12y ago
  To simplify a bit, I wasn't claiming the next generation would oppose you. I was disputing your claim that they would support you. I think it's far more likely that they will come to some new conclusion that none of us old fogeys will understand, much less accept.
  - Udo 12y ago
    > I wasn't claiming the next generation would oppose you. I was disputing your claim that they would support you. Oppose or support me in what, exactly? And why is this somehow about me personally? I merely asserted that young people do care about privacy. I'm getting the feeling that you might be conflating what I said with what hengheng wrote. > I think it's far more likely that they will come to some new conclusion that none of us old fogeys will understand That's a valid point. However from observation, I would say "people who use $social_network obviously don't care about rights or privacy" is actually the old-fogey position. Teens sending each other stuff on Snapchat, for example, are most likely not OK with their streams being inspected from the outside. In fact, I do believe they even care which one of their friends gets what message.

by LLWM 12y ago

Udo 12y ago

> That's not my point at all. It feels really weird to tell you this, but I do believe that was indeed your point. The original statement was "Those who care about civil rights and an active democracy are young" to which you replied "What makes you think the youth will be on your side? This generation is growing up with twitter and facebook as facts of life." to which I replied "I don't believe the use of social networks is an indicator that a person doesn't care about privacy." to which you replied with a stream of insults. I admit I do have trouble seeing where you're coming from. If I misunderstood you in any way, I apologize.

LLWM 12y ago
To simplify a bit, I wasn't claiming the next generation would oppose you. I was disputing your claim that they would support you. I think it's far more likely that they will come to some new conclusion that none of us old fogeys will understand, much less accept.
- Udo 12y ago
  > I wasn't claiming the next generation would oppose you. I was disputing your claim that they would support you. Oppose or support me in what, exactly? And why is this somehow about me personally? I merely asserted that young people do care about privacy. I'm getting the feeling that you might be conflating what I said with what hengheng wrote. > I think it's far more likely that they will come to some new conclusion that none of us old fogeys will understand That's a valid point. However from observation, I would say "people who use $social_network obviously don't care about rights or privacy" is actually the old-fogey position. Teens sending each other stuff on Snapchat, for example, are most likely not OK with their streams being inspected from the outside. In fact, I do believe they even care which one of their friends gets what message.