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I generaly agree with those slides, yet something bother me in one of the video : One of the slide gives a false feeling of equality between two quotes, one by

by bsaul 12y ago

I generaly agree with those slides, yet something bother me in one of the video : One of the slide gives a false feeling of equality between two quotes, one by Brice hortefeux and one by Eric schmidt on privacy. The first one is about surveillance cameras put in public streets by an elected representative of the people (a mayor). The other is about scanning private conversations by a private company who only deals with shareholders. I don't think calling everything "a society of surveillance" helps to finely tune the measures that we'll have to put in place to improve security in a not too radical way. He later makes the point that even measures taken by governments could be completely misused by fascists regime, which is true. But then the problem is maintaining a democratic power, and a fair legal system. And that problem existed with disastrous consequences far before the internet was created.

fit2rule 12y ago
The problem is that the French people don't see their existing government for the fascist, imperialist organization that it currently IS. If you don't think so, just ask a Cameroon'ian businessman who is trying to get a loan what he thinks about French imperialism. Better ask him before he tells you first, Monsieur!
- bsaul 12y ago
  I'm usualy really into criticizing french bureaucracy but i must admit i have absolutely no idea what you're talking about... Could you give more details ?
mercurial 12y ago
> One of the slide gives a false feeling of equality between two quotes, one by Brice hortefeux and one by Eric schmidt on privacy. > The first one is about surveillance cameras put in public streets by an elected representative of the people (a mayor). > The other is about scanning private conversations by a private company who only deals with shareholders. Don't people choose to trust Google with their data, in the same way they delegate their power to the mayor? > He later makes the point that even measures taken by governments could be completely misused by fascists regime, which is true. But then the problem is maintaining a democratic power, and a fair legal system. What are you getting at with that? The fact is, large amounts of processing power, an incredible amount of data collected (in a way that would not have been possible in a pre-Internet era), and little accountability by design are an extremely dangerous combination. You do not even need to go back to the Vichy era for that. Both Hoover and the Gaullist SAC people would have been delighted to have such information at their disposal...
- bsaul 12y ago
  "what are you getting at with that ?" Well, that if a country becomes non democratic to the point where surveillance cameras or email snooping becomes a problem, then there would probably be a lot of bigger problems to deal with in the first place (such as people with gun in the street that can arrest you physically for no reason).

by bsaul 12y ago

fit2rule 12y ago

The problem is that the French people don't see their existing government for the fascist, imperialist organization that it currently IS. If you don't think so, just ask a Cameroon'ian businessman who is trying to get a loan what he thinks about French imperialism. Better ask him before he tells you first, Monsieur!

bsaul 12y ago
I'm usualy really into criticizing french bureaucracy but i must admit i have absolutely no idea what you're talking about... Could you give more details ?

mercurial 12y ago

> One of the slide gives a false feeling of equality between two quotes, one by Brice hortefeux and one by Eric schmidt on privacy. > The first one is about surveillance cameras put in public streets by an elected representative of the people (a mayor). > The other is about scanning private conversations by a private company who only deals with shareholders. Don't people choose to trust Google with their data, in the same way they delegate their power to the mayor? > He later makes the point that even measures taken by governments could be completely misused by fascists regime, which is true. But then the problem is maintaining a democratic power, and a fair legal system. What are you getting at with that? The fact is, large amounts of processing power, an incredible amount of data collected (in a way that would not have been possible in a pre-Internet era), and little accountability by design are an extremely dangerous combination. You do not even need to go back to the Vichy era for that. Both Hoover and the Gaullist SAC people would have been delighted to have such information at their disposal...

bsaul 12y ago
"what are you getting at with that ?" Well, that if a country becomes non democratic to the point where surveillance cameras or email snooping becomes a problem, then there would probably be a lot of bigger problems to deal with in the first place (such as people with gun in the street that can arrest you physically for no reason).