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Throwaway account given the topic. As someone who has been in the valley along while, the disrespect from women seems to come from a couple of angles -- the br

Throwaway account given the topic. As someone who has been in the valley along while, the disrespect from women seems to come from a couple of angles -- the bro culture (define as you wise, Uber excels in this), racial groups (indian males are amongst the worst), and many of those that grew up outside the bay area. Some of us have been seeing each other as equals for years, judgement based on merit, but many a*holes still perpetuate issues. My data set -- several startups, a few big companies, bay area native; my wife non native, white, a number of large prominent technical companies. One of us in engineering, the other in project/program management. The influx of H1-B, caste loving people is making the push for equality a difficult one.

SafariDevelop 12y ago
> racial groups (indian males are amongst the worst) > The influx of H1-B, caste loving people is making the push for equality a difficult one. I'm not going to call you a racist, but the least you could do is provide examples or, at best, statistics to backup your allegations. None, but one, of the feminist accusations of the tech industry in the American media involved a non-white male. > caste loving people As if Americans are not caste-loving? http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/03/class-dismissed/307274/ http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/03/class-di...
- refurb 12y ago
  Nothing more ironic than someone trying to fight sexism by denegrating an entire race!
- geofft 12y ago
  Anil Dash has a nice article talking about Indian-American culture that comes off as much less racist because he's reflecting on his own culture (which, incidentally, happens to be my own, and I can confirm anecdotally lots of what he says). https://medium.com/message/the-tech-diversity-story-thats-not-being-told-9a36fb40530f https://medium.com/message/the-tech-diversity-story-thats-no... (To be overly clear, I don't think the claim that all the H1-Bs are importing sexism is defensible, as phrased, and I certainly don't think Indian culture bears the majority of the responsibility here, compared to American culture. I'm just trying to offer a better and relevant claim.)
- jongraehl 12y ago
  Surely you can admit that Americans are less caste-loving. We treat talented individuals of all races+genders+GLBTQBBQ pretty damn well compared to the majority of the world (the mentally ill, on the other hand ...). I give us an A-, globally speaking.
  - SafariDevelop 12y ago
    > Surely you can admit that Americans are less caste-loving. We treat talented individuals of all races+genders+GLBTQBBQ pretty damn well compared to the majority of the world I'm not really sure about that. If you are talking about overt treatment, sure we tend to be nice and well-mannered compared to the majority of the world. But underneath that facade we really aren't any different from the rest. Why do you think an HN user had to create a throwaway account (throwaway6761) to denigrate an entire race of people? I'm sure he tends to be nice and well-mannered to the minorities outside the Internet. Finally note that the comment you are responding to points to the class/status system between Americans (not just between races): http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/03/class-dismissed/307274/ http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/03/class-di...
- Torgo 12y ago
  http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/04/27/radiumone_first_gurbaksh_chahal_domestic_abuse_scandal_fells_ceo.html http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/04/27/radiumone_fir... http://recode.net/2014/05/26/rap-genius-co-founder-moghadam-fired/ http://recode.net/2014/05/26/rap-genius-co-founder-moghadam-...

SafariDevelop 12y ago

> racial groups (indian males are amongst the worst) > The influx of H1-B, caste loving people is making the push for equality a difficult one. I'm not going to call you a racist, but the least you could do is provide examples or, at best, statistics to backup your allegations. None, but one, of the feminist accusations of the tech industry in the American media involved a non-white male. > caste loving people As if Americans are not caste-loving? http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/03/class-dismissed/307274/ http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/03/class-di...

refurb 12y ago
Nothing more ironic than someone trying to fight sexism by denegrating an entire race!
geofft 12y ago
Anil Dash has a nice article talking about Indian-American culture that comes off as much less racist because he's reflecting on his own culture (which, incidentally, happens to be my own, and I can confirm anecdotally lots of what he says). https://medium.com/message/the-tech-diversity-story-thats-not-being-told-9a36fb40530f https://medium.com/message/the-tech-diversity-story-thats-no... (To be overly clear, I don't think the claim that all the H1-Bs are importing sexism is defensible, as phrased, and I certainly don't think Indian culture bears the majority of the responsibility here, compared to American culture. I'm just trying to offer a better and relevant claim.)
jongraehl 12y ago
Surely you can admit that Americans are less caste-loving. We treat talented individuals of all races+genders+GLBTQBBQ pretty damn well compared to the majority of the world (the mentally ill, on the other hand ...). I give us an A-, globally speaking.
- SafariDevelop 12y ago
  > Surely you can admit that Americans are less caste-loving. We treat talented individuals of all races+genders+GLBTQBBQ pretty damn well compared to the majority of the world I'm not really sure about that. If you are talking about overt treatment, sure we tend to be nice and well-mannered compared to the majority of the world. But underneath that facade we really aren't any different from the rest. Why do you think an HN user had to create a throwaway account (throwaway6761) to denigrate an entire race of people? I'm sure he tends to be nice and well-mannered to the minorities outside the Internet. Finally note that the comment you are responding to points to the class/status system between Americans (not just between races): http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/03/class-dismissed/307274/ http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/03/class-di...
Torgo 12y ago
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/04/27/radiumone_first_gurbaksh_chahal_domestic_abuse_scandal_fells_ceo.html http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/04/27/radiumone_fir... http://recode.net/2014/05/26/rap-genius-co-founder-moghadam-fired/ http://recode.net/2014/05/26/rap-genius-co-founder-moghadam-...