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Just what does the 'powered by Telefonica' bit mean?

aroch 12y ago
https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/10/16/mozilla-and-telefonica-partner-to-simplify-voice-and-video-calls-on-the-web/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/10/16/mozilla-and-telefon... Presumably offering routing servers and transit. Plus Telefonica bought TokBox[1], whose tech powers the backend [1] https://tokbox.com/ https://tokbox.com/
- higherpurpose 12y ago
  Does this affect the end to end encryption mechanism of WebRTC (at least for Internet users)? In other words, can Telefonica make it easy to spy on all Firefox Hello talks, or only on the browser-to-phone ones? (which is to be expected, I guess).
  - aroch 12y ago
    From my understanding of the WebRTC spec, as long as your TURN/STUN server is trusted (which it is, the CA and relay are both run by Mozilla) it doesn't matter if the network is untrustworthy. WebRTC by itsself is not MITM resistant
alvatar 12y ago
Telefonica has many developers working on Firefox OS, it probably means that the want to show up.
netfire 12y ago
Telefonica is a global telecommunications company. (I've never seen them in the US, but they are very common in latin america) Not sure what they have to do with a web video chat system.
suyash 12y ago
Now that is scary, as I don't want to give all my personal data to some random company's server in Europe? Firefox is cool with me but Telefonica, not so much.
- nsm 12y ago
  Your personal data isn't going anywhere. The server is only used for establishing the connection when clients are behind NATs (which in today's environment you usually always are). If I understand WebRTC correctly, once the link is established, all communication is peer to peer.
  - dkharrat 12y ago
    > If I understand WebRTC correctly, once the link is established, all communication is peer to peer. In general, it's peer-to-peer, but for clients that can't communicate peer-to-peer for whatever reason (usually due to certain NATs), a relay server is used as an intermediary. To the user it's transparent, so they can't easily tell if it's peer-to-peer or not.

aroch 12y ago

https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/10/16/mozilla-and-telefonica-partner-to-simplify-voice-and-video-calls-on-the-web/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/10/16/mozilla-and-telefon... Presumably offering routing servers and transit. Plus Telefonica bought TokBox[1], whose tech powers the backend [1] https://tokbox.com/ https://tokbox.com/

higherpurpose 12y ago
Does this affect the end to end encryption mechanism of WebRTC (at least for Internet users)? In other words, can Telefonica make it easy to spy on all Firefox Hello talks, or only on the browser-to-phone ones? (which is to be expected, I guess).
- aroch 12y ago
  From my understanding of the WebRTC spec, as long as your TURN/STUN server is trusted (which it is, the CA and relay are both run by Mozilla) it doesn't matter if the network is untrustworthy. WebRTC by itsself is not MITM resistant

alvatar 12y ago

Telefonica has many developers working on Firefox OS, it probably means that the want to show up.

netfire 12y ago

Telefonica is a global telecommunications company. (I've never seen them in the US, but they are very common in latin america) Not sure what they have to do with a web video chat system.

suyash 12y ago

Now that is scary, as I don't want to give all my personal data to some random company's server in Europe? Firefox is cool with me but Telefonica, not so much.

nsm 12y ago
Your personal data isn't going anywhere. The server is only used for establishing the connection when clients are behind NATs (which in today's environment you usually always are). If I understand WebRTC correctly, once the link is established, all communication is peer to peer.
- dkharrat 12y ago
  > If I understand WebRTC correctly, once the link is established, all communication is peer to peer. In general, it's peer-to-peer, but for clients that can't communicate peer-to-peer for whatever reason (usually due to certain NATs), a relay server is used as an intermediary. To the user it's transparent, so they can't easily tell if it's peer-to-peer or not.