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The "truth doesn't exist" models has nothing to do with modern Russian philosophy. In fact the most common refrain today in Russia is based on Nevsky's quote of

by osipov 12y ago

The "truth doesn't exist" models has nothing to do with modern Russian philosophy. In fact the most common refrain today in Russia is based on Nevsky's quote of "God is truth". However, the same culture recognizes that while truth exists, it is fleeting, fragile, and is easily corrupted as soon at it becomes a subject of discourse within a society. The root of the conflict between West and Russia today is deeper than superficial slogans about who shot down MH17 or overthrew the Ukrainian government. West and Russia are fighting over whether the existing dollar based financial system will stay around or disappear. The virtual battles over Ukraine, Syria, and terrorism are just a sideshow to the deeper game.

tr352 12y ago
> The "truth doesn't exist" models has nothing to do with modern Russian philosophy. But it does with Russian propaganda. See for example all the different unfounded and unrelated theories and insinuations that RT spread around after the MH17 downing, such as "Ukraine had BUKs too", "It was Ukraine thinking it was Putins presidential plane" and "why didn't Ukraine close off the airspace?" Now, is that serious journalism? The sole purpose of that was to confuse people and instill in them the idea that the truth about MH17 will never be known. > The root of the conflict between West and Russia today is deeper than superficial slogans about who shot down MH17 <snip> Many things can be said about what you're saying but I won't and I'll stop you here. 300 innocent civilians (mainly Dutch, Malaysian and British) died a horrible death due to this dirty war and evidence is overwhelming that it was done using Russian weapons by Russian or Russia-supported soldiers, in a dirty war that is fueled (at least materially) mainly by the Kremlin. Your claim that this is about "superficial slogans" is telling. Yes, many more people have died and yes, on the grand scale of things, 300 casualties is peanuts. But in the west these things are taken seriously and will not be forgotten. MH17 and the aftermath is one of the growing number of red lines that Putin crossed, and Russia will have to pay the price for this. Again, you may not agree but these red lines do exist and it's not up to you or Putin to decide that they don't. I feel sorry for the Russian people, but I have no sympathy for a Putin apologist who believes the MH17 event is about superficial slogans.

by osipov 12y ago

tr352 12y ago

> The "truth doesn't exist" models has nothing to do with modern Russian philosophy. But it does with Russian propaganda. See for example all the different unfounded and unrelated theories and insinuations that RT spread around after the MH17 downing, such as "Ukraine had BUKs too", "It was Ukraine thinking it was Putins presidential plane" and "why didn't Ukraine close off the airspace?" Now, is that serious journalism? The sole purpose of that was to confuse people and instill in them the idea that the truth about MH17 will never be known. > The root of the conflict between West and Russia today is deeper than superficial slogans about who shot down MH17 <snip> Many things can be said about what you're saying but I won't and I'll stop you here. 300 innocent civilians (mainly Dutch, Malaysian and British) died a horrible death due to this dirty war and evidence is overwhelming that it was done using Russian weapons by Russian or Russia-supported soldiers, in a dirty war that is fueled (at least materially) mainly by the Kremlin. Your claim that this is about "superficial slogans" is telling. Yes, many more people have died and yes, on the grand scale of things, 300 casualties is peanuts. But in the west these things are taken seriously and will not be forgotten. MH17 and the aftermath is one of the growing number of red lines that Putin crossed, and Russia will have to pay the price for this. Again, you may not agree but these red lines do exist and it's not up to you or Putin to decide that they don't. I feel sorry for the Russian people, but I have no sympathy for a Putin apologist who believes the MH17 event is about superficial slogans.