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This already happens in the US with software and hardware that is essential for national security. How is that any strange that China wants to do the same?. Th

This already happens in the US with software and hardware that is essential for national security. How is that any strange that China wants to do the same?. The job of the NSA is spying other countries, obviously China does not want other countries controlling their basic infrastructure. Of course, having the source code means in a couple of years there will be a Chinese company creating the same hardware or software, and with lots of "coincidences" in the code code. It is not very different to what Americans did with the British. I have lived and worked in China, I speak Mandarin. There any Chinese commercial companies have to go to meeting with other Chinese companies, so THEY CAN COPY YOU!! Any commercial company operating in China needs to have 51% Chinese participation. As a western well trained person, if you work there in 49% partnership with a foreign company, they could offer you millions of dollars for making a 100% Chinese company competitor. The west should start demanding reciprocity to China in lots of ways.

gxs 12y ago
| The west should start demanding reciprocity to China in lots of ways. Agree. It makes my blood boil that we're handing over the culmination of years of research and development, both academic and corporate, for the sake of a few short term dollars. There will always be some moron happy to the the one to hand over everything in order to make a quick buck. I am way out of my element as I have no legal training, but how are there no export controls? It is in the US's best interest to not allow this to happen. Do we really want to live in a world where China can copy any western technology at will, but never divulges any of it's own secrets? What a load of crap.
- throwaway2048 12y ago
  do we really want to live in a world where software is subject to export controls (again)?
- vikiomega9 12y ago
  I wouldn't call it a quick buck, it's unregulated market competition. | It makes my blood boil You're taking my money and not guaranteeing no backdoors in your software, how does that work for my blood? I'm not saying my data is important or that I'm special, but the fact that my ERP data critical to my business is potentially open to someone across the world or even my own government does not sit right with me. Of course I will clamor for some oversight. I may be dearly mistaken but I can't agree with your comment.
crystaln 12y ago
> Any commercial company operating in China needs to have 51% Chinese participation. This is not true. Wholly foreign owned enterprises have existed in China for many years, and their permissible activities have increased greatly over the last 5 years. The rest of what you say is largely correct.
- Wogef 12y ago
  >This is not true. Wholly foreign owned enterprises have existed in China for many years, and their permissible activities have increased greatly over the last 5 years. The letter of the law is never the actual implementation of the law here. Wholly foreign owned enterprises are tolerated up until there is a Chinese company in competition- then you get raided by the police in the early AM and find yourself on CCTV for “Tricking the Chinese People”. You’ll be allow an exit provided you sell your business for pennies on the dollar to your direct Chinese competitor. Yes, even if you speak, read and write Chinese, yes, even if your Chinese wife negotiated for you, yes even if you have a dozen Chinese lawyers and a contract. China as a system has zero interest in protecting the interest of foreigners- and you will always be such because they have no interest in immigration in any form. The ONLY interest China has in foreign companies is for capital and as a vehicle to transfer IP. Once they have that- the company will be shown the door. Happens over and over again but Western companies persist in thinking they will be the exception. I’ve lived in China for over a decade, I love it here, but without exception every foreigner I know here who has attempted to start a business was screwed in the end. Rich Chinese know this and most do everything they can to do business only with foreigners and earn their money overseas.
  - crystaln 12y ago
    What you say is also largely true. However you can in fact have a foreign owned enterprise and operate, at least until you come on the wrong radar. The original statement, "Any commercial company operating in China needs to have 51% Chinese participation." is entirely not correct. And even with 51% Chinese participation, a foreign partner is likely to be screwed in the end.
  - westiseast 12y ago
vikiomega9 12y ago
| It is not very different to what Americans did with the British. Can you point me to sources?

gxs 12y ago

| The west should start demanding reciprocity to China in lots of ways. Agree. It makes my blood boil that we're handing over the culmination of years of research and development, both academic and corporate, for the sake of a few short term dollars. There will always be some moron happy to the the one to hand over everything in order to make a quick buck. I am way out of my element as I have no legal training, but how are there no export controls? It is in the US's best interest to not allow this to happen. Do we really want to live in a world where China can copy any western technology at will, but never divulges any of it's own secrets? What a load of crap.

throwaway2048 12y ago
do we really want to live in a world where software is subject to export controls (again)?
vikiomega9 12y ago
I wouldn't call it a quick buck, it's unregulated market competition. | It makes my blood boil You're taking my money and not guaranteeing no backdoors in your software, how does that work for my blood? I'm not saying my data is important or that I'm special, but the fact that my ERP data critical to my business is potentially open to someone across the world or even my own government does not sit right with me. Of course I will clamor for some oversight. I may be dearly mistaken but I can't agree with your comment.

crystaln 12y ago

> Any commercial company operating in China needs to have 51% Chinese participation. This is not true. Wholly foreign owned enterprises have existed in China for many years, and their permissible activities have increased greatly over the last 5 years. The rest of what you say is largely correct.

Wogef 12y ago
>This is not true. Wholly foreign owned enterprises have existed in China for many years, and their permissible activities have increased greatly over the last 5 years. The letter of the law is never the actual implementation of the law here. Wholly foreign owned enterprises are tolerated up until there is a Chinese company in competition- then you get raided by the police in the early AM and find yourself on CCTV for “Tricking the Chinese People”. You’ll be allow an exit provided you sell your business for pennies on the dollar to your direct Chinese competitor. Yes, even if you speak, read and write Chinese, yes, even if your Chinese wife negotiated for you, yes even if you have a dozen Chinese lawyers and a contract. China as a system has zero interest in protecting the interest of foreigners- and you will always be such because they have no interest in immigration in any form. The ONLY interest China has in foreign companies is for capital and as a vehicle to transfer IP. Once they have that- the company will be shown the door. Happens over and over again but Western companies persist in thinking they will be the exception. I’ve lived in China for over a decade, I love it here, but without exception every foreigner I know here who has attempted to start a business was screwed in the end. Rich Chinese know this and most do everything they can to do business only with foreigners and earn their money overseas.
- crystaln 12y ago
  What you say is also largely true. However you can in fact have a foreign owned enterprise and operate, at least until you come on the wrong radar. The original statement, "Any commercial company operating in China needs to have 51% Chinese participation." is entirely not correct. And even with 51% Chinese participation, a foreign partner is likely to be screwed in the end.
- westiseast 12y ago

vikiomega9 12y ago

| It is not very different to what Americans did with the British. Can you point me to sources?