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I think you should read occidental philosophers a bit more, starting with socrate and aristotle, as well as history books written by objective historians, becau

by bsaul 12y ago

I think you should read occidental philosophers a bit more, starting with socrate and aristotle, as well as history books written by objective historians, because many of your points either reduct to logical fallacies or gross exagerations... You seem to have a personnality attracted by absolute / binary things and a great sense of drama, so reading a bit of greek discussions will probably help you see that things aren't black and white and cool down a bit. As for french culture specifically, a bit of Voltaire and Rousseau will be a good start, because what you look as "prextexts and hypocrisies" are probably the kind of subtle reasoning that would let your country be in not such a miserable state.

icebraining 12y ago
what you look as "prextexts and hypocrisies" are probably the kind of subtle reasoning that would let your country be in not such a miserable state. If that's true, then it's France's failure, since the 100+ years of colonization were based on the excuse that they were "civilizing" the population.
- bsaul 12y ago
  Yeap, that's the great mistake every radical make : try to convince other people against themselves, with physical means (although some people were really happy to see european culture come to North Africa, but that's another story). That's why we've made sure every time that we went somewhere militarily, that it was in cooperation with at least some local people wanting it (and i think the US are now doing this as well). That's why i think Facebook should only help the Turkish people that want to access different opinions do so (as opposed to forcing everyone to have a look at mahomet's cartoons for example).
Jugurtha 12y ago
Hmmm, Let's see... Because French is a mother tongue for me. I was raised with de Balzac, Hugo, Dumas, Molière, Verne, Voltaire, etc. (My Petit Larousse 89 saved me). I read Pascal's "Pensées" and Descartes "Discours de la Méthode" as a teenager. (blows the mind) Reading in high-school ranged from Freud and Adler, to Nietzsche, Hume, Socrates and Marcus Aurelius. To Dostoïevsky and Ostrovski. To Bandler/Grinder/Dilts/Erickson... I speak 5 languages fluently (on a daily basis), read a book or two, and I'm never sick at sea. How many 'occidental philosophers' have you read? Don't take that patronizing route. I may seem to have a great sense of drama, but the art of disguising a slap as an advice is being lost. If there was someone who loves French culture and art, it'd be me.. And this has nothing to do with France specifically. This is about Governments (any, including ours) giving lame, unconvincing justifications. In other words: "You can try to screw me, but when you say it's for my own good, at least make it convincing".. >I think you should read occidental philosophers a bit more, starting with socrate and aristotle, as well as history books written by objective historians, because many of your points either reduct to logical fallacies or gross exagerations... >You seem to have a personnality attracted by absolute / binary things and a great sense of drama, so reading a bit of greek discussions will probably help you see that things aren't black and white and cool down a bit. As for french culture specifically, a bit of Voltaire and Rousseau will be a good start, because what you look as "prextexts and hypocrisies" are probably the kind of subtle reasoning that would let your country be in not such a miserable state.

by bsaul 12y ago

icebraining 12y ago

what you look as "prextexts and hypocrisies" are probably the kind of subtle reasoning that would let your country be in not such a miserable state. If that's true, then it's France's failure, since the 100+ years of colonization were based on the excuse that they were "civilizing" the population.

bsaul 12y ago
Yeap, that's the great mistake every radical make : try to convince other people against themselves, with physical means (although some people were really happy to see european culture come to North Africa, but that's another story). That's why we've made sure every time that we went somewhere militarily, that it was in cooperation with at least some local people wanting it (and i think the US are now doing this as well). That's why i think Facebook should only help the Turkish people that want to access different opinions do so (as opposed to forcing everyone to have a look at mahomet's cartoons for example).

Jugurtha 12y ago

Hmmm, Let's see... Because French is a mother tongue for me. I was raised with de Balzac, Hugo, Dumas, Molière, Verne, Voltaire, etc. (My Petit Larousse 89 saved me). I read Pascal's "Pensées" and Descartes "Discours de la Méthode" as a teenager. (blows the mind) Reading in high-school ranged from Freud and Adler, to Nietzsche, Hume, Socrates and Marcus Aurelius. To Dostoïevsky and Ostrovski. To Bandler/Grinder/Dilts/Erickson... I speak 5 languages fluently (on a daily basis), read a book or two, and I'm never sick at sea. How many 'occidental philosophers' have you read? Don't take that patronizing route. I may seem to have a great sense of drama, but the art of disguising a slap as an advice is being lost. If there was someone who loves French culture and art, it'd be me.. And this has nothing to do with France specifically. This is about Governments (any, including ours) giving lame, unconvincing justifications. In other words: "You can try to screw me, but when you say it's for my own good, at least make it convincing".. >I think you should read occidental philosophers a bit more, starting with socrate and aristotle, as well as history books written by objective historians, because many of your points either reduct to logical fallacies or gross exagerations... >You seem to have a personnality attracted by absolute / binary things and a great sense of drama, so reading a bit of greek discussions will probably help you see that things aren't black and white and cool down a bit. As for french culture specifically, a bit of Voltaire and Rousseau will be a good start, because what you look as "prextexts and hypocrisies" are probably the kind of subtle reasoning that would let your country be in not such a miserable state.