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HackerSurfing: Free Housing and Food for Engineers Visiting SF
- gargarplex 12y agoThis is really cool. Congrats, guys.
- npt4279 12y agoThanks! Hope we meet some cool people. :)
- humbleMouse 12y agoWow badass. Hopefully this is still up and running when my current noncompete expires.
- npt4279 12y agoHa! Just contact me. We'll make an exception for you. :P
- humbleMouse 12y agoI will!
- qq66 12y agoNoncompetes are generally not enforceable in California.
- solve 12y agoNo no, this was my idea that I was planning to do someday, as soon as I got rich. Just kidding, great stuff. I hope this lasts and grows.
- npt4279 12y agoWhen you are rich, let's join forces and get a bigger, badder mansion!
- beat 12y agoGreat idea! How are you about startup founders visiting? Coz I just applied for a couple of days next week! (ps: Anyone else going to the SaaStr Annual in San Francisco on Feb 5? I'm stupidly excited about it! I live in Minnesota and we don't get cool stuff like that here.)
- npt4279 12y agoWe might invite some founders, room permitting :)
- beat 12y agoAlso, if anyone else in the SF/Silicon Valley area feels like hosting an out-of-town founder in the enterprise space for a few days in early February... hey, hotels are expensive, I'm poor, and I ain't too proud to beg. If you have a guitar lying around, I can even play a tune or three.
- silencio 12y agoIf your budget is above $0 but below hotel rates, have you looked at airbnb? Try searching keyword 'hacker'. There's a lot of extra rooms and hostel-type setups around. Wish I had a better setup for hosting tech folks, but my friends end up having perpetual dibs on my futon and sharing a single bathroom can suck...
- drewmeyers24 12y agoWe might have some hosts.. http://www.horizonapp.co/product-hunt http://www.horizonapp.co/product-hunt
- thom 12y agoI know a bunch of people from the UK heading to SF fundraising over the next few months, would be great if something like this existed for people like them.
- peterwwillis 12y agoYou should make a Couchsurfing profile too.
- matthewwiese 12y agoGnarly idea, I wish much success to y'all. Host college students too or nah?
- npt4279 12y agoSure, college students are cool too.
- matthewwiese 12y agoHeck yea, once I get more projects under my belt I'll see about applying. Good on you guys for doing such a cool thing 👍
- samatron 12y agoHot tub coding. Is that the new thing?
- npt4279 12y agoThat dude lost a bet. My secret plan is to one day make that photo famous.
- tfe 12y agoThe empty bottle of Macallan in the background makes it just that much better.
- jkot 12y agoI do it often. Just put laptop on safe place and use wireless mouse.
- flanbiscuit 12y agoI'm too nervous to allow myself to do this. Plus I don't have a hot tub or a pool or even the ability to comfortablt sit in a normal tub (I'm tall)
- clueless123 12y agoThis is brilliant! You could even get the hiring companies to pay your rent for the month if they get a hire :) Also, I imagine it will be interesting how pre-qualify the guest to make sure they are worthy candidates.
- npt4279 12y agoThanks! I actually think someone should make a business out of this - that would be a cool recruiter! But we're just doing it as a free service to the startups we've funded over at Wefunder.
- clueless123 12y agoA similar cool idea would be if someone would create working spaces in awesome locations. that way, a company can pay all my expenses to get there and work (during work hours).. and I get to tour the area, learn the culture, try the food on my freetime/weeekends. First place : Valle Sagrado near Machu-Pichu Peru.
- npt4279 12y agoWe actually do that too, once a year: http://startupworkaway.herokuapp.com/ http://startupworkaway.herokuapp.com/
- clueless123 12y agoDang! The equivalent of those "training" trips that doctors take on the pharmaceutical industry dime :) If someone wants to start this business.. Contact me, I can help implement it for the Peru Location.
- sjf 12y agoThat's usually called a relocation bonus.
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- xpop2027 12y agoThis is neat, would be nice to see it on a global scale.
- slantedview 12y agoThe picture of the guy in the tub, with laptop, says so much about what is wrong with tech culture.
- Chronic30 12y agoWe, the tech industry, will continue creating things that change the world. Why don't you run along and continue your day now.
- drake01 12y agoWow.
- Animats 12y agoThis marketing approach comes from the time-sharing vacation condo industry. It's common to offer a free weekend in a vacation condo in exchange for two days of listening to high-pressure sales talks.
- npt4279 12y agoThankfully, I can guarantee that no one who visits will be subjected to high-pressure sales tactics. Because that would be just lame on both sides - founders want to hire people who are excited to work for their startup.
- jnmuel 12y agoYeah, it's easy to see how you monetize something like this (hiring a good programmer has $$$ attached to it) and you don't need a hard sell to make it work. It seems like it'd be more like speed dating, where there's an intense sell from both sides but it's low pressure because either side can back out easily.
- hardwaresofton 12y agoMore of the same that other people are saying -- this is awesome. Don't want to jinx it, but I can't see this not going well, if you get the pay model right and expand when you get the chance and partner with some of the companies constantly flying engineers out for interviews.
- throwaway1979 12y agoCool, commendable effort. One frustration I have is the (possibly soft) requirement for showing your work ala github profile or something else. I've noticed quite a few job postings where they ask you for a github profile. All my code belongs to my employer and I can't put stuff up on github. Not sure how people who are in this stupid situation deal with the new reality that github is your resume these days?
- clueless123 12y agoI've been on the same boat (NDA's and stuff) .. my best recomendation is to get involved on opensource and contribute.. I've got tons of good feedback from doing that.
- michaelchisari 12y agoI've got plenty of open source code in my github, and the irony is that I don't know if anybody I've interviewed with has ever really looked at it. They might want to know it exists, but it's not like they do code reviews.
- burger_moon 12y agoI have yet to go to an interview and the employer looked at my github or portfolio. I know it's pushed hard but so far it hasn't mattered in the least.
- vonmoltke 12y agoMy current one poked through it, but that was three years ago, when just having Github repos at all still had some signalling value.
- gbelote 12y agoThat's totally fine. In fact, my GitHub account is in a similar boat: most of my work is in private repos.
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- oso96_2000 12y agoAmazing! Wish it was theres last year I went. Hopefully I can make it again this year!
- claypoolb 12y agoSolid recruiting tool! Finding top notch Engineers anywhere is tough no matter where you are - props to people who come up with an innovative approach. Our startup based here in NYC is doing something similar, lets do a hackersurfing coast-to-coast marathon? http://smallbusiness.foxbusiness.com/legal-hr/2014/03/11/4-tips-for-attracting-google-quality-software-engineers/ http://smallbusiness.foxbusiness.com/legal-hr/2014/03/11/4-t...
- michaelchisari 12y agoThere's a (small) issue with the application form. I linked my linkedin profile, but didn't include the http[s]://, and it threw an error, but then continued submitting the form anyways. Everything I submitted was kosher, but just in case you're getting any incomplete forms and wondering why.
- npt4279 12y agoThanks!
- locahost 12y agoHow about free housing and food for engineers who already live in SF?
- pricklepoke 12y agoHow about free housing for firemen who can't afford to live in SF?
- insane0hflex 12y agoTheres no firemen living at their firehouse in sf?
- pricklepoke 12y agoThe majority of firemen cannot afford to live in SF. Half of city personnel live in the burbs, on the other side of a bridge.
- refurb 12y agoCan't afford? Or choose the live outside of SF? Hell, I know plenty of people who could afford to live in SF and choose not to. SF is not exactly family friendly.
- bruceb 12y agoThis isn't free housing. This is trying to get employees. Not charity.
- modoc 12y agoYou've made a bunch of posts about Firefighters in S.F. Everything I'm seeing is that S.F. Firefighters are some of the highest paid in the world, and have amazing pensions on top of their salaries. I'm curious what your reasoning here is? Just that they live elsewhere doesn't mean they aren't paid enough, it could just mean they prefer to live in another area... Several firefighters making over $300,000/year - http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/25/san-francisco-fire-lieutenant-makes-221000-in-ot-due-to-understaffing/ http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/25/san-francisco-fire-lieu... F.D. is the highest paid city dept - http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/S-F-Fire-Dept-dominates-list-of-highest-paid-5085237.php http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/S-F-Fire-Dept-dominate... S.F. F.D. has highest pay in the area - http://sfappeal.com/2010/08/highest-paid-cops-and-firefighters/ http://sfappeal.com/2010/08/highest-paid-cops-and-firefighte... S.F. F.D. salaries are #3 in the country - http://careers.top5.com/top-5-highest-paid-fire-departments-in-the-country/ http://careers.top5.com/top-5-highest-paid-fire-departments-...
- pricklepoke 12y agoRead about Sit/Lie and how SF voted to criminalize homelessness in 2010, and you'll see why these "hostels" for tech workers are needed now more than ever.
- JoergR 12y agoThank you. This is one of the most atrocious and socially unconcious things I've ever seen. Free food and housing for people set to make 100k/year while homeless people are in the street and families kicked out of their homes so the techbros can take over the Mission. This is sickening and fucked up beyond measure.
- blhack 12y agoSo can I use this as an alternative to crashing on the couch at noisebridge? /s I'm planning on making a trip to SF in the next couple of months to hang out there for a while, and while I'm not really looking to move there (Phoenix actually has a pretty cool tech scene right now if you know where to look), if the right offer came my way, I wouldn't be against it. Can I stay at your house?
- dshuang 12y agoWhat are some of the highlights of the Phoenix tech scene going on now?
- petercooper 12y agoOnly slightly related, but something I've always wondered.. can a residential house the founders live in, and employees work in, be claimed as a legitimate business expense? I see this quite a lot in the US. I looked into it here in the UK and it doesn't work out particularly well tax-wise.
- pimlottc 12y agoIANAL but my boss lives upstairs in the same house we work in. What he does is that he rents out the office from himself as an individual to his business. But that's just for the main floor, it doesn't include his personal living area. I certainly can't speak to how things work in the UK but as long as you kept the business and personal accounts separate and charged a reasonable rate I don't think they'd be any particular problems.
- SomeCallMeTim 12y agoThe rough answer (I'm not an expert) is that you can deduct costs for a room used 100% for business. Put a TV in it and you're at risk of it being considered personal space. I think it's possible to deduct a space as some fraction of the time used for work, but there may be a minimum threshold? I know it can work at 100%, but it's hard to prove 100% business usage -- and I've also heard that it's a tax audit trigger (as in, it raises your chance of being audited).
- e0m 12y agoWhat is an equivalent service in NYC? Do you have plans to extend to NYC?
- subdane 12y agoThis is a great idea and a win win. Now if only we could find the win win solution here: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/28/opinion/hotel-22.html http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/28/opinion/hotel-22.html
- JoergR 12y agoThere I was, for a second thinking, oh finally something for social good. But actually it's not about poor people but about bringing more oblivious techbros in.
- persona 12y agoand Sun Country Air has NY->SF roundtrip flights running for just $260... http://www.kayak.com/flights/NYC-SFO/2015-02-18/2015-02-26 http://www.kayak.com/flights/NYC-SFO/2015-02-18/2015-02-26
- civilian 12y agoTANSTAAFL. Of course it's a recruiting thing.
- Swizec 12y agoI want to come crash here for a week in April while looking for more permanent lodgings. Sounds much easier than trying to rent in SF remotely.
- demircancelebi 12y agoI think its launch is similar to airbnb's. Instead of making money, they aim to find talented people, far more valuable for startups that seek to find such talent (and who doesn't?). I hope this will be very successful :)
- bbcbasic 12y agoMaking money is so passé
- bbcbasic 12y agoAwesome, free holiday! Can I bring my wife and 2 year old daughter?
- shanemhansen 12y agoOn one hand this seems pretty reasonable. I'm assuming you're going to be out between 20 and 40k if you use a recruiter in the bay area. You can play a lot of games like this if you have 20 to 40k. Reading between the lines it seems like they also select for single/childless people, unless you really expect people to show up with their spouse and children. Stepping back a moment, I'm stunned and thankful to be an engineer in an environment where lots of people are willing to throw stuff like this at me in return for the possibility I might deign to work with them. Sure beats spamming dozens of companies with resumes and beating my way through hr.
- cpfohl 12y agoEven people with spouses/children can afford to take a week to network/job-search.
- cbhl 12y agoThey might be less likely to do it, though, especially if they have convince the spouse that they should buy a plane ticket to SF.
- eldavido 12y agoI'm thankful and I'm not. On one hand, it's nice to know you're in-demand and can easily earn income. On the other hand, as a working developer, the subtext of a lot of this stuff is frankly pretty offensive. "Let's throw some stupid, token perks at these developers who don't know how to negotiate for salary so they'll come build my dream!" How about, pay people commensurate with the value they create for your organization and/or demand (in cash, or if you're cash-poor, equity), and stop playing stupid games -- you'll have plenty of candidates.
- hellbanner 12y agoIt sounds like you can take advantage of this though by just showing up for a week, enjoying SF. Are you suggesting that the salaries these engineers & designers would be offered are subpar?
- pyotrgalois 12y agoThis is really awesome. I hope to go again one day to SF and stay some days at HackerSurfing.
- SomeCallMeTim 12y agoVery cool, though personally I'm not interested in moving back to the Bay Area. The site implies that you're not interested in remote employees, which is a shame; not everyone wants to live in California, and some people have an extended track record of successfully working remotely (ahem ;).
- throwaway1979 12y agoIt is kind of silly ... in tech, we've got all these amazing tools that enable people to work remotely. I've seen people checkout even though they come in to the office, and people work like superstars while they are remote and working in the middle of nowhere. If you get on a plane once every month or so to hang out with the team, I can't see how it affects anything. Same is true of investors. Not every great idea in tech comes from the valley.
- fsniper 12y agoI wish, system administrators and devops engineers who does not code for a living were this much appreciated.
- JustSomeNobody 12y agoUpon reading the headline, my first thought was, "Good Grief! Are engineers paid so little these days!?" If I can find my jaw, I might just read the article.
- skizm 12y agoThe guy with the laptop in the tub is making me uncomfortable on several levels.
- plq 12y agotell me about it. http://hackersurfing.com/assets/dinner5_s.jpg http://hackersurfing.com/assets/dinner5_s.jpg if you're trying to make an impression, that's the impression you're going to make. sheesh.
- yuribit 12y agoIs it something like an alert? "That's what is going to happen if you come to work here"
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- jonalmeida 12y agoThat has to be a planned/posed image. There's no way one could focus so intently while hot water bubbles around you..
- gamegoblin 12y agoIt is possible for sure. I actually do code in the bathtub, but not like that. You can't reliably hold a laptop on your bare bent legs -- the lack of friction caused by leg hair will make it slide towards you (and into the water if the water is too high). If the guy were to put both hands on the keyboard and code, the laptop would not stay in place. The only way to do it comfortably is to sit with your legs straight and flat in front of you (in a tub style bath, not a deep jacuzzi like pictured), raise the water level to about .75 inches (2cm) below the laptop (resting on your flat thighs), then lower the flow of water to a hot trickle and open the drain to match the in-flow. The hot trickle is to keep the temperature at a steady state of hotness. My tub-style bath is not wide enough for my laptop to accidentally fall into the water to the side. The only way it could come in contact with water is if I sloshed around from side to side to make waves, which I don't do.
- devanti 12y agodo you plan to support founders who come to SF to seek funding?
- josebalius 12y agoInterested in this as well.
- liampronan 12y agoLooks pretty cool! As someone who already has housing in SF, do you ever open up the Wednesday dinners to non-surfers, or have any other open events?
- elyrly 12y agoi would be interested as well
- zo1 12y agoAny plans on making this international? Otherwise, may I suggest the following as a domain instead: hackersurfing.co.us or something along those lines.
- gourneau 12y agoThe WeFunder guys are awesome, super nice people!
- bengale 12y agoThat's awesome. Wish I could relocate to SF.
- robinbrandt 12y agoLooks very cool. Do you accept people from Europe who'd like to work in SF, too, or is this only for US residents?
- mbesto 12y agoHe Wefunder guys, thanks for all of this! Given that this was supposed to happen over a year ago, how realistic is "In October 2015, the Law changes: Startup investing won't be just for the wealthy"[0]. Specifically the October 2015 part? [0] - https://wefunder.com/jobs https://wefunder.com/jobs
- nbardy 12y agoI just applied and this is really a perfect fit for me. However, I have a hard time seeing who else would be interested in this opportunity. I'm currently traveling and bouncing around so spending some time in San Francisco sounds great. Anyone else who signed up, what position are you in where living in San Francisco for a couple days works for you?
- charlesism 12y ago> I have a hard time seeing who else would be interested in this opportunity Really? SF is one of the most expensive cities in the world, and we're pretty much at the apex of interest in "comp sci" in 2015. My guess is that their inbox will have hundreds of thousands of applications in short order.
- nbardy 12y agoIt's not free rent. Its just for up to a week. Similar situation to job interviews, but most of them will pay for accommodation if they fly you out.
- burger_moon 12y agoI signed up. I'm currently doing a contract job that will be up in a few months which also aligned with my lease being up and I am interested in moving to SF so this would be perfect for me if I was chosen because I could go out there after my contract, get a job and move hassle free.
- manca 12y agoGreat idea guys. I hope you get a chance to host some brilliant people from all over the world. What's been the rate of visitors/job offers since you began hosting?
- enbrill 12y agoIt's located in a pretty decent neighborhood.
- gtirloni 12y agoI wouldn't be comfortable staying in a house with strangers when I'm already stressed out for being away from home and worrying about days full of difficult interviews. I think the social pressure would crush me and I'd rather stay in a hotel and take time to recharge. It looks like a nice idea for extroverts though.
- hagan_das 12y agoI had the same reaction. If I'm going to be in interviews (however informal) all day for multiple days I'd need to lock myself away in the evening to recharge. I get the impression dinner, drinks, hanging out in the evening would be a part of this as well. Interesting idea otherwise. Never been to San Francisco/SV and would love to get a taste of what the environment is like there. Maybe an AirBnB for a few days in a hacker house?
- kevinqi 12y agoLooks sweet, but in the FAQ they say they can only host 2 people at a time.. given the amount of interest this seems to be getting, seems like it'll be tough to land a spot.
- phinkle 12y agoI really hope that some day there is an all female or at least half female hacker house. I really like the idea of a hacker house and love being around smart tech people but some guys don't know how to act around women (I'm sorry but there are guys like that out there and many of them are hackers). It is even worse if you are one of the only single woman in a close community. I've heard from male friends that live in hacker houses that I would feel uncomfortable even though I am a relatively reasonable person and am used to living in messy spaces with other people. Also its nice to be around other women in case you need an emergency tampon or advice on whether you should wear your pumps or your wedges or want to bitch about what its like to be a female hacker.
- rapidally 12y agoYou sound like a sexist.
- zo1 12y agoIt'll never happen if everyone just hopes as we do. Take your idea, use it to inspire yourself, and if you have the chance... Make it happen. I'm sure there are many individuals that will appreciate and welcome your idea.
- thanksgiving 12y agoIs that the meat space equivalent of telling grandparent to submit a pull request or something?
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- voidlogic 12y agoI find the assumption that girls are less messy than boys kind of naive and stereotypical. I suppose messy is ambiguous, does it mean clean or organized? I remember living in the dorms my first year of college, and I was amused to note that the average boys dorm room was more organized and the average girls dorm room was cleaner. Of course, that is just my experience.
- rapidally 12y agoEngineers have engineering degrees.
- joeyspn 12y agoThis should be done in a bigger way, with founders and startuppers offering their couch like people do in www.couchsurfing.com... It would be more than awesome
- nnd 12y agoThere used to be Startup Stay [] Not sure what happened to it. http://venturebeat.com/2012/08/09/startup-stay-lets-you-crash-on-the-worlds-most-entrepreneurial-couches/ http://venturebeat.com/2012/08/09/startup-stay-lets-you-cras...
- drewmeyers24 12y agoSee Horizon (my startup): http://www.horizonapp.co/product-hunt http://www.horizonapp.co/product-hunt Similar to startupstay in some regards, but quite different as well: http://www.horizonapp.co/blog/horizon-approach-hospitality-exchange/ http://www.horizonapp.co/blog/horizon-approach-hospitality-e...
- drewmeyers24 12y agoThey pivoted to Bizpora, then sold to co-founders lab.
- doorty 12y ago...Or you could hire remote workers! I'm currently living in SF, but will be moving because of my girlfriend's new job. I'm finding it very hard to find remote roles despite the job shortage.
- nkg 12y agothat guy working in a jacuzzi did not understand life. --> http://www.hackersurfing.com/assets/dinner5_s.jpg http://www.hackersurfing.com/assets/dinner5_s.jpg
- dougddo 12y agoI dunno about you but I've never tried working naked in a jacuzzi after having finished an entire bottle of McCallan 12 Year so I can't say I wouldn't enjoy it... maybe he just knows something the rest of us don't.
- doxcf434 12y agoAnd getting your picture taken at the same time. I think that's the key...
- usafagrad 12y agoFor those serious about creating an environment for women hackers, please contact me. My organization can be the 501(c)(3) fiscal sponsor and we can start a fundraiser campaign ASAP, just like Chapter 92 of Eat. Pray. Love, the movie.
- dougddo 12y agoIs this going to be an ongoing thing? I actually just "semi-moved" (couch surfing with friends) to SF last week and I'd be interested in trying this out but I still need to update my Github quite a bit...
- hellbanner 12y agohttp://hackersurfing.com/assets/dinner5_s.jpg http://hackersurfing.com/assets/dinner5_s.jpg cracks me up. The guy's got wine in a hottub looking seriously at his laptop.. take a break from work man!
- lytol 12y agoMacallan 12 – that's a fine scotch! Also, it appears empty, which probably means he's on break whether he thinks so or not.
- nether 12y agoI've got the personality of John Carmack (or lack thereof), could I still get in?
- aswanson 12y agoThe culture of SV is so much better now than when it was dominated by old-school stodgy hardware companies. Its so much more open-minded and pay-it-forward oriented with initiatives like this. Long live this spirit of innovation.
- slaction 12y agoHow do they keep all girls away from this place? I'm kidding of course.
- kingkawn 12y agoNext free housing for all.
- jadence 12y agoDoes the near-highway location of the house concern anyone else? The correlation between near-highway air exposure and adverse health outcomes is well documented and I have not found a single study, article, etc that disputes the correlation. Below are three articles and snippets (emphasis mine) regarding the aforementioned correlation and how quickly the pollution levels drop over short distances from the freeway. source: http://now.tufts.edu/articles/big-road-blues-pollution-highways http://now.tufts.edu/articles/big-road-blues-pollution-highw... "Throughout the 1980s and early ’90s, dozens of studies found links between fine particulate pollution and cardiovascular health. One of the largest and most influential of these, the Harvard Six Cities Study, followed more than 8,000 participants in six towns across the Midwest and New England. Over 15 years, the initial phase of the study tracked each person’s health and measured particulate levels in the air over their communities. Its findings, first released in 1993, showed that even a minuscule increase in fine particulates (just 10 micrograms per cubic meter of air), could cause up to an 18 percent bump in cardiovascular disease." ... there’s reason to think that ultrafine particles, which the EPA does not regulate, are even more insidious than their larger counterparts ... ultrafines can fluctuate dramatically over the course of a morning or afternoon, depending on the weather and how many cars and trucks are on the road. Ultrafines are also confined to a relatively small area ... close to major highways, often spiking dramatically within a few hundred meters of the source." source: http://www.scpcs.ucla.edu/news/Freeway.pdf http://www.scpcs.ucla.edu/news/Freeway.pdf "Studies conducted by SCPCS investigators here in LA show that carbon monoxide and ultrafine particles – the smallest portion of particulate matter emissions and potentially the most toxic – are extremely high on or near the freeway, dropping to about half that concentration 50-90 meters (~165-295 feet) from the freeway ..." source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1971259/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1971259/ "People living or otherwise spending substantial time within about 200 m of highways are exposed to these pollutants more so than persons living at a greater distance, even compared to living on busy urban streets. Evidence of the health hazards of these pollutants arises from studies that assess proximity to highways, actual exposure to the pollutants, or both. Taken as a whole, the health studies show elevated risk for development of asthma and reduced lung function in children who live near major highways. Studies of particulate matter (PM) that show associations with cardiac and pulmonary mortality also appear to indicate increasing risk as smaller geographic areas are studied, suggesting localized sources that likely include major highways. Although less work has tested the association between lung cancer and highways, the existing studies suggest an association as well. While the evidence is substantial for a link between near-highway exposures and adverse health outcomes, considerable work remains to understand the exact nature and magnitude of the risks."
- MaryWhite123 12y agoThe guy on the landing page, sitting in a jacuzzi with Mac and empty bottle of scotch, with the pose of an Ancient Greek Philosopher: advertising at its best!!
- unimportant 12y agoShows the desperation to hire quality employees, but for anyone with solid skills it's a questionable offer, as they likely count on you getting guilt tripped into giving them preference when it comes to job offers while you save peanuts on housing and food (I'd guesstimate that anyone with solid skills could land a six figure job within 2 weeks).
- ramonck 12y agoIt would be nice to have a community of Hacker Surfing so you can go somewhere, code something then go somewhere else and code some more... It would be like nerd consulting vacation, Then when you get back from the coding they come with the job offers :) Then you get to be like the guy who has already commited his code to github and is safe to be with his Mac on the Tub!