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It is plenty safe to run exit nodes. If your host complains, there is even form letters to send. The government knows that seizing an exit node will not help th

by chisleu 12y ago

It is plenty safe to run exit nodes. If your host complains, there is even form letters to send. The government knows that seizing an exit node will not help them in anyway (one can go online immediately.) Do you think Amazon gets raided? Do you know how many exit nodes are in AWS? My guess is lots because I know 2 people who have them and I don't know a lot of people.

dingaling 12y ago
> It is plenty safe to run exit nodes ... in someone else's data center. Never, ever in your own home. If you are raided ALL your computers and ancillaries will be seized.
- linuxguy2 12y ago
  I've ran an exit node in my home for several years and the worst I've seen as a result of it is several DMCA notices and one polite call from the police in another state.
  - Karunamon 12y ago
    Even that is too much contact for some people. A sane average person wants as little contact with the legal system and authority types as humanly possible, and for good reason.
  - corin_ 12y ago
    Even if so far everyone has that exact worst case experience, that doesn't mean tomorrow you won't be arrested for somebody viewing illegal material through your exit host. I know people who've sold drugs and never had any problem, it doesn't mean I'm going to start doing it presuming its safe based off their anecdotes.
    - AnthonyMouse 12y ago
      That is very much like saying you shouldn't express your political views because you don't know if tomorrow they'll be made retroactively illegal. And the criticism of anecdotal evidence is that it may not be a representative sample. So what is the actual percentage of Tor exit node operators who have been incarcerated for it in the US then? Is it not 0%?
- gcb0 12y ago
  you can be raided just the same. fbi will probably send one agent to pick up the server in the data center, and 20 others will be picking you up at your credit card billing address.
  - mirimir 12y ago
    That's why you want to rent your server as anonymously as possible. It's also why most hosting providers don't like anonymous customers. And those that are cool with it often charge more.
Shank 12y ago
AWS specifically says "no" to hosting exit relays. In fact, here's a large list of ISPs and their policies: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/GoodBadISPs https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/GoodBadISP... It's also worth noting that there are a large set of tips and guidelines to follow for exit relay operators: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki//doc/TorExitGuidelines https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki//doc/TorExitGu...
motoboi 12y ago
>Do you think Amazon gets raided? Did you hear of Lavabit? Do you know they can force Amazon to handle access to all your running instances and you simple will never be informed?
pmalynin 12y ago
Ummm, yes. Amazon just got raided yesterday: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-31000904 http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-31000904

by chisleu 12y ago

dingaling 12y ago

> It is plenty safe to run exit nodes ... in someone else's data center. Never, ever in your own home. If you are raided ALL your computers and ancillaries will be seized.

linuxguy2 12y ago
I've ran an exit node in my home for several years and the worst I've seen as a result of it is several DMCA notices and one polite call from the police in another state.
- Karunamon 12y ago
  Even that is too much contact for some people. A sane average person wants as little contact with the legal system and authority types as humanly possible, and for good reason.
- corin_ 12y ago
  Even if so far everyone has that exact worst case experience, that doesn't mean tomorrow you won't be arrested for somebody viewing illegal material through your exit host. I know people who've sold drugs and never had any problem, it doesn't mean I'm going to start doing it presuming its safe based off their anecdotes.
  - AnthonyMouse 12y ago
    That is very much like saying you shouldn't express your political views because you don't know if tomorrow they'll be made retroactively illegal. And the criticism of anecdotal evidence is that it may not be a representative sample. So what is the actual percentage of Tor exit node operators who have been incarcerated for it in the US then? Is it not 0%?
gcb0 12y ago
you can be raided just the same. fbi will probably send one agent to pick up the server in the data center, and 20 others will be picking you up at your credit card billing address.
- mirimir 12y ago
  That's why you want to rent your server as anonymously as possible. It's also why most hosting providers don't like anonymous customers. And those that are cool with it often charge more.

Shank 12y ago

AWS specifically says "no" to hosting exit relays. In fact, here's a large list of ISPs and their policies: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/GoodBadISPs https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/GoodBadISP... It's also worth noting that there are a large set of tips and guidelines to follow for exit relay operators: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki//doc/TorExitGuidelines https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki//doc/TorExitGu...

motoboi 12y ago

>Do you think Amazon gets raided? Did you hear of Lavabit? Do you know they can force Amazon to handle access to all your running instances and you simple will never be informed?

pmalynin 12y ago

Ummm, yes. Amazon just got raided yesterday: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-31000904 http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-31000904