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Yeah, I think this is really showing how much Apple the organization is extracting from the individual Apple employees.
by jsprogrammer 12y ago
Yeah, I think this is really showing how much Apple the organization is extracting from the individual Apple employees.
- icebraining 12y agoWould gas travel faster if it didn't have to drag the car along?
- jsprogrammer 12y agoUndoubtedly[1]. [1] http://www.space.com/21983-black-hole-rips-and-whips-galactic-gas-cloud-video.html http://www.space.com/21983-black-hole-rips-and-whips-galacti...
- icebraining 12y agoNot sure if replacing the car with a black hole is beneficial to the gas - or in this case, the workers - though.
- jsprogrammer 12y agoGas probably doesn't give a shit, used to be mixed with a bunch of stuff in the earth before someone distilled it out and it eventually ended up in a tank, ready to be exploded. Was just an example of a positive "yes" answer to your question.
- jpttsn 12y agoBut what about the customers? If a customer buys a $1k laptop and gets $2k out of value from it, the customers are effectively exploiting the workers more than Apple the organization could ever dream of. Where would you draw the line?
- jsprogrammer 12y agoWhat does it mean to get $2k out of value from a laptop? I'm sure Apple could devise a licensing scheme to get a kickback on whatever you collect.
- biomene 12y agoIf you create $2k of value with a laptop, it's you who created that value. You just exploited yourself, using the laptop as your tool. Did I misunderstand your question?
- runeks 12y agoI'd argue that Apple isn't extracting value from employees, but rather creating value using employees. It's not a zero-sum game. Apple creates value, it doesn't just move it from one place to another.
- jsprogrammer 12y agoApple employees create value. Apple itself hoards cash and leaks it out to shareholders.
- runeks 12y agoSurely, the Apple employees use Apple's property when creating value. The employees -- presumably -- don't own the desk they sit at, the computer they use at work, the building in which they work. And they don't pay the bill from TSMC when wafers need to be produced -- Apple pays for all these things. It is able to do this, in part, because it has hoarded cash. I'm sure you wouldn't claim that it's possible for the employees to create the value without the assets owned by Apple. Does the Apple employees have the savings to pay the $100M bill from TSMC, when a new generation of SOCs need to be produced? They would certainly all have to work from home, because they wouldn't have a building they could all sit in, without using the property of Apple. Seems to me like Apple and its employees are in a symbiotic relationship, that benefits both parties.
- jsprogrammer 12y agoDoes not mean it is optimal, only (potentially) marginally useful.
- runeks 12y agoNo thing is ever optimal. We can always improve things. But I don't see why we should let perfection be the enemy of good.