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I understand what you're saying, and I get that you're playing devil's advocate here. I'm not saying 'screw vaccination deniers', I think we should have this c

I understand what you're saying, and I get that you're playing devil's advocate here. I'm not saying 'screw vaccination deniers', I think we should have this conversation. My position is simply that your rights end where mine begin. This isn't like teaching alternatives to evolution in public school. If you don't want to believe in evolution, it irks me, but that doesn't really hurt me. People can die when others refuse vaccination for bogus reasons. Even if it isn't readily quantifiable, I think many would agree with that statement. If enough people start refusing vaccinations, it is reasonable to expect that a LOT of people could get very sick and many could die. >What about the harm from wood fireplaces? There are regulations in populated areas. The Bay Area has 'Spare the Air' laws >What about swimming pools and trampoline and the probability of injury or death from both? There are laws requiring fences around pools. And home insurance rates skyrocket when either of those is present.

DougN7 12y ago
> My position is simply that your rights end where mine begin What about where your rights might begin? I'm thinking of the dangers of alcohol, drugs, etc. where my use doesn't guarantee causing you trouble, but it definitely increases the likelyhood - much like not gettig vaccinated.
- bequanna 12y ago
  Not sure I follow you here. If you 'cause me trouble' on drugs/alcohol, that is a decision you are making as an individual. If you drink and drive, if you punch me, you are actively choosing to cause harm. Being drunk or high isn't really a valid excuse for bad behavior or committing crimes.
  - DougN7 12y ago
    I guess I'm thinking not getting vaccinated doesn't actively cause you harm. It might. So someone getting drunk/stoned/high might cause you harm. I guess there is some lessened ability to make a decision, but causing an accident for example is something no sober person would do. But we allow people to drink and take the chance. Seems similar to allowing people to not get vaccinated to me.
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DougN7 12y ago

> My position is simply that your rights end where mine begin What about where your rights might begin? I'm thinking of the dangers of alcohol, drugs, etc. where my use doesn't guarantee causing you trouble, but it definitely increases the likelyhood - much like not gettig vaccinated.

bequanna 12y ago
Not sure I follow you here. If you 'cause me trouble' on drugs/alcohol, that is a decision you are making as an individual. If you drink and drive, if you punch me, you are actively choosing to cause harm. Being drunk or high isn't really a valid excuse for bad behavior or committing crimes.
- DougN7 12y ago
  I guess I'm thinking not getting vaccinated doesn't actively cause you harm. It might. So someone getting drunk/stoned/high might cause you harm. I guess there is some lessened ability to make a decision, but causing an accident for example is something no sober person would do. But we allow people to drink and take the chance. Seems similar to allowing people to not get vaccinated to me.

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