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Apple laptop market share is <15% IIRC. Phone sales are the eye-popper for a single company, but even there, Android market share is crazy high. Apple may sell

by pistle 12y ago

Apple laptop market share is <15% IIRC. Phone sales are the eye-popper for a single company, but even there, Android market share is crazy high. Apple may sell more than any other single company in some markets, but their overall market dominance is mostly an illusion trumpeted by advocates.

spullara 12y ago
All that is true, but it is also the biggest company in the world.
- icebraining 12y ago
  No, it's not. It's not even in the top ten.
  - pdpi 12y ago
    On what metric? Market cap says they're top dog: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_public_corporations_by_market_capitalization#2014 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_public_corporations_by_...
    - icebraining 12y ago
      Oh, fair enough. But I think that's a poor metric, since it's much more "virtual" than metrics that actually affect the economy, like turnover. I prefer Forbes average of four metrics: http://www.forbes.com/sites/liyanchen/2014/05/07/the-worlds-largest-companies-china-takes-over-the-top-three-spots/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/liyanchen/2014/05/07/the-worlds-...
      - spullara 12y ago
        That Forbes article was also written when Apple's market cap was "only" $483B. As of today it is $680B.
wklauss 12y ago
You are mixing market share dominance with market dominance. Two very different concepts.
- pistle 12y ago
  That's exactly the contrast I was drawing, yet to only talk about only one creates a cognitive distortion. One strong enough to confuse people into thinking that Apple dominates the laptop market when I think, but can't find the specific confirmation numbers, that Lenovo sells more laptops. That's one brand vs. Apple. Consider the wider market, and "market dominance" is a much a misnomer in the small as "market share domination" is in the large. The parent here was asking why the laptops are so great, but they are actually a minor, albeit interesting, part of the market and market share. By market metrics, they aren't that that amazing. They are outsold by another single brand and fall into the "Other" category when looking at market share.

by pistle 12y ago

spullara 12y ago

All that is true, but it is also the biggest company in the world.

icebraining 12y ago
No, it's not. It's not even in the top ten.
- pdpi 12y ago
  On what metric? Market cap says they're top dog: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_public_corporations_by_market_capitalization#2014 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_public_corporations_by_...
  - icebraining 12y ago
    Oh, fair enough. But I think that's a poor metric, since it's much more "virtual" than metrics that actually affect the economy, like turnover. I prefer Forbes average of four metrics: http://www.forbes.com/sites/liyanchen/2014/05/07/the-worlds-largest-companies-china-takes-over-the-top-three-spots/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/liyanchen/2014/05/07/the-worlds-...
    - spullara 12y ago
      That Forbes article was also written when Apple's market cap was "only" $483B. As of today it is $680B.

wklauss 12y ago

You are mixing market share dominance with market dominance. Two very different concepts.

pistle 12y ago
That's exactly the contrast I was drawing, yet to only talk about only one creates a cognitive distortion. One strong enough to confuse people into thinking that Apple dominates the laptop market when I think, but can't find the specific confirmation numbers, that Lenovo sells more laptops. That's one brand vs. Apple. Consider the wider market, and "market dominance" is a much a misnomer in the small as "market share domination" is in the large. The parent here was asking why the laptops are so great, but they are actually a minor, albeit interesting, part of the market and market share. By market metrics, they aren't that that amazing. They are outsold by another single brand and fall into the "Other" category when looking at market share.