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Do any of you religiously stay up to date on your boosters to stay fully immune to these diseases? Do you advocate shutting down the borders, prosecuting peopl

by haiguy 12y ago

Do any of you religiously stay up to date on your boosters to stay fully immune to these diseases? Do you advocate shutting down the borders, prosecuting people to the fullest extent of the law that are found illegally in this country, and overall taking every effort to prevent illegal immigrants into the country where we can't control their movements amongst the population and have no history of their medical conditions, what diseases they are carrying, and their vaccination status? A few percentage of unvaccinated children are not the hysterical public health threat that some of you make them out to be. In general you always have that percentage not vaccinated always. If third world diseases are popping up again in this country, maybe we should be looking at the unregulated flow of immigrants, and not generally shitting all over affluent, intelligent individuals with healthy children.

TazeTSchnitzel 12y ago
There's a big difference between 9% and 1%. A difference called "life and death".
ta75757 12y ago
illegal immigration is... well... illegal and legal immigration has vaccination requirements
PeterisP 12y ago
The very real concept of herd immunity means that a small percentage of the population can be vulnerable, but the "herd" is still immune because when the disease is introduced, then doesn't get enough chances to spread and dies out with minimal impact. All the reasons you list usually account for something like 1-2% of population, and this is enough to have everyone be safe from measles and such. However, in the OP case, "His son attends Reed Elementary in Tiburon, a school with a 7 percent personal belief exemption rate" and that seems to be representative for that part of California. The gap - some 5% of kids - is the result of deliberate, intentional decisions that can be changed. If most of those intentionally unvaccinated kids would get vaccinated, we could have effective herd immunity for all the kids even if people don't "religiously stay up to date on your boosters" and the borders aren't shut down. Attempting to do the impossible (zero chance of measles brought across border) is not productive, but attempting to vaccinate kids is possible to protect those who can't be vaccinated, such as the kids on cancer chemotherapy or immunosuppresants after organ transplants.
ceejayoz 12y ago
> If third world diseases are popping up again in this country, maybe we should be looking at the unregulated flow of immigrants, and not generally shitting all over affluent, intelligent individuals with healthy children. I don't think it was impoverished illegal immigrants spreading it around at Disneyland. Wealthy LA schools' vaccination rates have gone lower than South Sudan. Folks from Mexico etc. have seen these diseases in action and are generally quite good at getting vaccinated. http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/09/wealthy-la-schools-vaccination-rates-are-as-low-as-south-sudans/380252/ http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/09/wealthy-la...
- Spooky23 12y ago
  The guy you're responding to is right and wrong. There are many medical issues related to the immigrant flow, but mostly things like TB, scabies and stuff related to sanitation. Locking them up in confined detention facilities for months on end to fuel some political game doesn't help.
dinkumthinkum 12y ago
I think you are just using an anti-science stance to support some either racist or xenophobic political views you have or something like that. The increasing prevalence of antivacinationism is a serious health threat. It will create a situation in which there are significantly more people unvaccinated than there are normally for other reasons.

by haiguy 12y ago

TazeTSchnitzel 12y ago

There's a big difference between 9% and 1%. A difference called "life and death".

ta75757 12y ago

illegal immigration is... well... illegal and legal immigration has vaccination requirements

PeterisP 12y ago

The very real concept of herd immunity means that a small percentage of the population can be vulnerable, but the "herd" is still immune because when the disease is introduced, then doesn't get enough chances to spread and dies out with minimal impact. All the reasons you list usually account for something like 1-2% of population, and this is enough to have everyone be safe from measles and such. However, in the OP case, "His son attends Reed Elementary in Tiburon, a school with a 7 percent personal belief exemption rate" and that seems to be representative for that part of California. The gap - some 5% of kids - is the result of deliberate, intentional decisions that can be changed. If most of those intentionally unvaccinated kids would get vaccinated, we could have effective herd immunity for all the kids even if people don't "religiously stay up to date on your boosters" and the borders aren't shut down. Attempting to do the impossible (zero chance of measles brought across border) is not productive, but attempting to vaccinate kids is possible to protect those who can't be vaccinated, such as the kids on cancer chemotherapy or immunosuppresants after organ transplants.

ceejayoz 12y ago

> If third world diseases are popping up again in this country, maybe we should be looking at the unregulated flow of immigrants, and not generally shitting all over affluent, intelligent individuals with healthy children. I don't think it was impoverished illegal immigrants spreading it around at Disneyland. Wealthy LA schools' vaccination rates have gone lower than South Sudan. Folks from Mexico etc. have seen these diseases in action and are generally quite good at getting vaccinated. http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/09/wealthy-la-schools-vaccination-rates-are-as-low-as-south-sudans/380252/ http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/09/wealthy-la...

Spooky23 12y ago
The guy you're responding to is right and wrong. There are many medical issues related to the immigrant flow, but mostly things like TB, scabies and stuff related to sanitation. Locking them up in confined detention facilities for months on end to fuel some political game doesn't help.

dinkumthinkum 12y ago

I think you are just using an anti-science stance to support some either racist or xenophobic political views you have or something like that. The increasing prevalence of antivacinationism is a serious health threat. It will create a situation in which there are significantly more people unvaccinated than there are normally for other reasons.