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Steve may have been a tad unrepresentative that "open video" issue. Remember, this is the guy that controlled QuickTime and never opened it up. That was a bi

Steve may have been a tad unrepresentative that "open video" issue. Remember, this is the guy that controlled QuickTime and never opened it up. That was a bit of problem for open video supporters. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Canyon_Company http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Canyon_Company

micampe 12y ago
“The International Organization for Standardization approved the QuickTime file format as the basis of the MPEG-4 file format. The MPEG-4 file format specification was created on the basis of the QuickTime format specification published in 2001.” — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QuickTime_File_Format http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QuickTime_File_Format
- tosseraccount 12y ago
  Not so fast there ... This registration authority for code-points in "MP4 Family" files is Apple Inc. and it is named in Annex D (informative) in MPEG-4 Part 12.[18] (from your link) Apple did in fact control Quicktime AND keep it very proprietary. To insinuate that they were pro open source on video is revisionism.
  - micampe 12y ago
    That just means that Apple manages this list: http://www.mp4ra.org/atoms.html http://www.mp4ra.org/atoms.html The file format is still an ISO standard and pretty much anything reads it. Even Apple itself doesn't use the Quicktime container anymore (and hasn't for years). I didn't insinuate anything regarding open source, which doesn't appear anywhere in the part I quoted. Edit: Oh, I noticed you significantly modified your first comment, that's why you now talk about open source when I never did. When I responded your comment read: “From the guy that tried to force QuickTime on us?”.
    - tosseraccount 12y ago
      And got whacked for it.
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micampe 12y ago
This comment originally read: ”From the guy that tried to force QuickTime on us?”, and that was the comment I was responding to. Also, the events described in your link all took place while Jobs was not at Apple.
- tosseraccount 12y ago
  Fair enough. Looks like some Apple fanatics are out today. If you criticize apple ; you have to be careful otherwise you get whited out pretty quick. So I toned it down. My point was the Steve Jobs complaining about proprietary video is very ironic ... when he was pedaling his own proprietary video tech.
  - micampe 12y ago
    Oh please, stop it with the fanatics. The first version of your comment is not only incorrect but also not the type and tone of contribution appreciated on HN, and you have been here long enough to know it.
    - tosseraccount 12y ago
      You don't remember the "Apple Software Update" programs on windows that you couldn't get rid of? C'mon man.
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tosseraccount 12y ago
From Apple itself ... "proprietary acceleration techniques" http://web.archive.org/web/20010605082836/www.pa.msu.edu/~hamlin/facts/1stltr.html http://web.archive.org/web/20010605082836/www.pa.msu.edu/~ha...
- micampe 12y ago
  > Thursday, February 9, 1995 Steve Jobs was not at Apple between 1985 and 1997.
- tosseraccount 12y ago
  https://lists.apple.com/archives/QuickTime-VR/2004/Jul/msg00113.html https://lists.apple.com/archives/QuickTime-VR/2004/Jul/msg00... <i>More than 250 million copies of QuickTime 6 have been downloaded in > less than two years since its release. According to Frost & Sullivans > 2004 Global Media Streaming Platform Report, between 2002 and 2003 > Microsofts and Real Networks worldwide market share percentages were > either stable or declining while QuickTimes market share increased to > 36.8 percent, a close second to Microsoft. Real Networks came in third > place with less than 25 percent of the worldwide streaming market > share.</i> Apple was never an "open source/open technology" white knight in video.
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micampe 12y ago

“The International Organization for Standardization approved the QuickTime file format as the basis of the MPEG-4 file format. The MPEG-4 file format specification was created on the basis of the QuickTime format specification published in 2001.” — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QuickTime_File_Format http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QuickTime_File_Format

tosseraccount 12y ago
Not so fast there ... This registration authority for code-points in "MP4 Family" files is Apple Inc. and it is named in Annex D (informative) in MPEG-4 Part 12.[18] (from your link) Apple did in fact control Quicktime AND keep it very proprietary. To insinuate that they were pro open source on video is revisionism.
- micampe 12y ago
  That just means that Apple manages this list: http://www.mp4ra.org/atoms.html http://www.mp4ra.org/atoms.html The file format is still an ISO standard and pretty much anything reads it. Even Apple itself doesn't use the Quicktime container anymore (and hasn't for years). I didn't insinuate anything regarding open source, which doesn't appear anywhere in the part I quoted. Edit: Oh, I noticed you significantly modified your first comment, that's why you now talk about open source when I never did. When I responded your comment read: “From the guy that tried to force QuickTime on us?”.
  - tosseraccount 12y ago
    And got whacked for it.

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micampe 12y ago

This comment originally read: ”From the guy that tried to force QuickTime on us?”, and that was the comment I was responding to. Also, the events described in your link all took place while Jobs was not at Apple.

tosseraccount 12y ago
Fair enough. Looks like some Apple fanatics are out today. If you criticize apple ; you have to be careful otherwise you get whited out pretty quick. So I toned it down. My point was the Steve Jobs complaining about proprietary video is very ironic ... when he was pedaling his own proprietary video tech.
- micampe 12y ago
  Oh please, stop it with the fanatics. The first version of your comment is not only incorrect but also not the type and tone of contribution appreciated on HN, and you have been here long enough to know it.
  - tosseraccount 12y ago
    You don't remember the "Apple Software Update" programs on windows that you couldn't get rid of? C'mon man.
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tosseraccount 12y ago

From Apple itself ... "proprietary acceleration techniques" http://web.archive.org/web/20010605082836/www.pa.msu.edu/~hamlin/facts/1stltr.html http://web.archive.org/web/20010605082836/www.pa.msu.edu/~ha...

micampe 12y ago
> Thursday, February 9, 1995 Steve Jobs was not at Apple between 1985 and 1997.
tosseraccount 12y ago
https://lists.apple.com/archives/QuickTime-VR/2004/Jul/msg00113.html https://lists.apple.com/archives/QuickTime-VR/2004/Jul/msg00... <i>More than 250 million copies of QuickTime 6 have been downloaded in > less than two years since its release. According to Frost & Sullivans > 2004 Global Media Streaming Platform Report, between 2002 and 2003 > Microsofts and Real Networks worldwide market share percentages were > either stable or declining while QuickTimes market share increased to > 36.8 percent, a close second to Microsoft. Real Networks came in third > place with less than 25 percent of the worldwide streaming market > share.</i> Apple was never an "open source/open technology" white knight in video.
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