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Sounds like you need a powerful man AND a man who fathered many, many, children. A quick search suggests he had 20 kids, not sure whether that's enough to quali
by milesskorpen 12y ago
Sounds like you need a powerful man AND a man who fathered many, many, children. A quick search suggests he had 20 kids, not sure whether that's enough to qualify.
- Raphmedia 12y agoI doubt 20 kids would be enough to qualify. Most people of my grand parent's generation had around 20 kids. It used to be the norm.
- benbreen 12y agoKeep in mind that mortality prior to reaching one's first birthday was upwards of 50% in most premodern societies, so the key factor here seems to me to be not only fertility, but the ability to wield social capital over multiple generations (employing court physicians, wetnurses, etc) to ensure that all those kids actually live to adulthood. Hence why I find this study so interesting - it's using genetic evidence to map the flows of social power across generations (like with the dynasties of Genghis and the Qing).
- smallhands 12y ago20 kids!?,the man is a serial rapist.please listen to the wrath of the khan podcast by Dan Carlin http://podbay.fm/show/173001861/e/1343775512?autostart=1 http://podbay.fm/show/173001861/e/1343775512?autostart=1
- milesskorpen 12y agoOnce again, not talking about Genghis, the thread refers to Charlemagne.
- Raphmedia 12y agoOh, this makes sense. I understand how an emperor or an otherwise important figure would be able to have a huge dynasty while being able to have the offsprings stay alive to keep the bloodline alive. However, in this exemple (Charlemagne), I doubt it unless he had a lot of bastard children. In the example of my grandmother, she had up to 20 children (excluding those that didn't even make it to birth), but only 17 of them lived. The poor still had a lot of children, albeit with more issues, so I doubt the social capital would help here. I have no idea, really. But this in an interesting conversation.
- defen 12y ago> Most people of my grand parent's generation had around 20 kids. Do the math...this is clearly false.
- pekk 12y agoThat depends on how many kids those kids had.
- darkarmani 12y ago> A quick search suggests he had 20 kids, not sure whether that's enough to qualify. 20 legitimate kids or 20 total kids. I find it hard to believe that he had just 20. I'm sure he had a tremendous number of bastards. Secondly, his grandson Hulagu Khan, sacked Baghdad and killed the Caliph, taking his harem. He took 100 of the concubines/wives. http://www.baluch-rugs.com/History/Biographies/Hulagu_Baghdad.htm http://www.baluch-rugs.com/History/Biographies/Hulagu_Baghda... "Hulagu now gave orders that the Caliph’s harem should be numbered, and it was found to contain 700 wives and concubines, and 1,200 servants. He thereupon implored that 100 of the females, on whom the sun and moon had never shone, should be handed back to him, and this being granted he selected his relatives."
- milesskorpen 12y agoI'm referring to Charlemange, not Genghis.