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Red meat gives you cancer, each vegetable has a weird side effect, carbs should be avoided, seafood can poison you, etc. I'm ignorant like the most of the popul

Red meat gives you cancer, each vegetable has a weird side effect, carbs should be avoided, seafood can poison you, etc. I'm ignorant like the most of the population and I'm scared. We still don't really "know" what's good for us, and that makes me want to return to what kept us going during the 99% of the time-span of our evolution. But then, even that is a topic of discussion, I see[1]. I don't even want to get into the form and frequency of food consumption. Maybe in a few hundred years[2], we'll have enough research to say something like "well, eat X, Y and Z, N times a day and you should be fine with a statistical confidence of 95%". The biggest problem is, most people just hang on to the first thing that "works" for them, then keep suggesting everyone that they should do exactly as they do. [1][1]: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathy-freston/shattering-the-meat-myth_b_214390.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathy-freston/shattering-the-m... [1][2]: http://www.peta.org/living/food/natural-human-diet/ http://www.peta.org/living/food/natural-human-diet/ [2]: Maybe I'm too optimistic?

skylan_q 12y ago
Practice common habits from people who carry good health into old age. The science of nutrition is more confusing and contradicting than ever.
- stephencanon 12y ago
  Right. My grandmother was tack-sharp into her 90s, and her daily diet was pretty much vodka martinis, steak and eggs, ice cream and cigarettes. I'll just do that ...
  - BSousa 12y ago
    Amazingly enough, that may actually be good for you. Why? Most likely, she didn't really care about the health aspects of it, had those in social events (the vodka martinis) and enjoyed more stress-free eating that folks nowadays. I don't promote unhealthy eating, but between unhealthy eaten care free lifestyle or health obsessed, stressed everything gives you cancer lifestyle, I believe the former will be better.
    - stephencanon 12y ago
      The vast majority of the vodka martinis were consumed in her kitchen between 10am and 1pm, not at social events =)
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- dandelion_lover 12y ago
  You will be surprised, by this will lead you to the plant-based diet. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Zone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Zone and http://www.bluezones.com/ http://www.bluezones.com/
- Ollinson 12y ago
  The oldest living woman smoked daily into her late 90s.
the_af 12y ago
I suspect those links are biased because the people writing them want to believe eating vegetables and not harming animals is not only ethically right, but also biologically right. However, I think mainstream science currently holds that humans evolved as natural omnivores, eating both vegetables and meat.
- Retric 12y ago
  The problem with that assessment is omnivores don't just eat the meat. They also eat, cartilage, ligaments, organs, skin, etc. People might love 'Steak and Potatoes' and look down on a hotdog as mystery meat. But chances are the hotdog is closer to what our ancestors were eating. Edit: Ignoring the preservatives etc. PS: Consider, we acutally need to maintian ligaments etc so not eating such things seems somewhat risky.
  - kbart 12y ago
    They still do, at least in Europe and Asia. I can hardly think of something uneatable except skin and bones. For example, an old national Lithuanian dish is made of pig's intestine stuffed with blood and pearl-barley. And I won't even start what kind of things I've eaten in China..
    - Filligree 12y ago
      Oh, no, the skin is quite edible. Fry it until it's suitably hard and crispy, and you have a delicious snack.
    - gleenn 12y ago
      Uhhh, if you've had fried chicken you're probably eating the skin. And as you noted about the Chinese eating many things, I believe its pretty common that they eat the bones. I think bone marrow is common in some European dishes. I'd say the big difference between a hotdog and what we ate a long time ago is probably all the hotdog's nitrates.
  - a8da6b0c91d 12y ago
    I've seen enough information that I believe it's worth noting glycine and lysine and tryptophan intake for this reason. The problem with muscle meat, ignoring the claims of the article under discussion, is far too much tryptophan and not enough glycine. This is well demonstrated to be inflammatory. Any historically normal consumption of muscle meat would have been accompanied by large amounts of collagen and organs, which appropriately balances the amino acid ratios. So I make a point of eating more gelatin and shellfish in preference to isolated servings of muscle meat.
Swizec 12y ago
I prefer no-nonsense diets. Avoid highly processed foods within reason[1], eat what your body tells you it needs. If you're feeling peckish and your mind is filled with steak, eat steak. If it's filled with pasta, eat pasta. If it's filled with lettuce, eat lettuce. And so on. Avoid snacking if possible. When you notice yourself snacking, just go have a real meal. You're probably hungry. [1] Processed foods in terms of microwave dinners, crazy super ground-up fastfood meats and so on. For instance, a sausage is better than a wiener. A ready-made salad is better than a ready-made smoothie. If at all possible, buy straight up ingredients and assemble yourself. And remember: fat keeps you full the longest, protein keeps you full reasonably long, carbs don't keep you full very long.
- gleenn 12y ago
  I've heard snacking is actually pretty good at maintaining your blood sugar level. Most people just snack on crap food though, and that's obviously bad.
  - Swizec 12y ago
    In my personal experience snacking makes you consume a lot of (ie. more than you need) food, but never leaves you feeling full. Which is bad. If at all possible, it's better to just have a meal which leaves you feeling full for the next 3 hours. It's also easier to focus on work if you aren't constantly thinking about food, which is what happens when you're hungry. The assumption I'm making is that you're having 5 to 6 meals a day. If you call the meal between lunch and supper a snack, then yes, carry on snacking. But don't do that thing where you get up every 10 minutes to put something little in your mouth for four hours straight.
Coincoin 12y ago
> We still don't really "know" what's good for us, and that makes me want to return to what kept us going during the 99% of the time-span of our evolution. I believe we (the general first world population) eat much better than a few hundred years ago. During our evolution we would starve or get scurvy and if lucky would get a meal a day. We adapted. We can eat pretty much any junk and we will survive. The drawback is if we constantly eat exactly the same thing for months, we die. Compare with today, we can buy almost any vegetable imaginable, meat, fat, protein, exotic fruit, minerals any time of the year. This is unprecedented in human history. The problem is the food industry trying to make us crave for the next shit so that we buy more and more of it. Who can blame them? I guess for now the solution is to use common sense, eat a little bit of everything, "good" or "bad", and exercise. As a friend of mine says: "Try to make your body die equally everywhere."
- mhb 12y ago
  Try to make your body die equally everywhere. Like the "One-Hoss Shay": http://rpo.library.utoronto.ca/poems/deacons-masterpiece-or-wonderful-one-hoss-shay-logical-story http://rpo.library.utoronto.ca/poems/deacons-masterpiece-or-...
samatman 12y ago
We're getting to the point where it makes sense to take a complete, routine genetic profile of every person enrolled in a study, ever. What you're hoping for will more likely take the form of "given your genetics, we recommend avoiding the following foods, in the following combinations, and eating these things at these times". It is also unlikely to take hundreds of years.
wcummings 12y ago
Red meat is linked to a heart disease and some cancers. Comparing that to "each vegetable has a weird side effect" (what?) is intellectually dishonest. Vegetarianism has been given a bad name by "alt medicine" quacks, but reducing red meat consumption is a no brainer.
- jeffdavis 12y ago
  "Red meat is linked to a heart disease...reducing red meat consumption is a no brainer" "Linked" doesn't mean much (correlated maybe?). But you believe that red meat statistically causes heart disease. Why do you believe that? Is it generally true, or does it only increase the risk for some people?
  - wcummings 12y ago
    "Associated with increased risk" is probably a better way to put it. If you're healthy I don't think anyone is saying "don't eat red meat" but I'd think twice about eating a burger for lunch every day.
bane 12y ago
Just eat a little bit of everything, lots of colors, each thing in moderation. It's what really old active people tend to do, and it usually gives you complete nutrition. Diets that omit or focus on one group of edible foods usually turn out to be bad for you in other subtle ways, it's because humans are strongly evolved to be omnivores.

skylan_q 12y ago

Practice common habits from people who carry good health into old age. The science of nutrition is more confusing and contradicting than ever.

stephencanon 12y ago
Right. My grandmother was tack-sharp into her 90s, and her daily diet was pretty much vodka martinis, steak and eggs, ice cream and cigarettes. I'll just do that ...
- BSousa 12y ago
  Amazingly enough, that may actually be good for you. Why? Most likely, she didn't really care about the health aspects of it, had those in social events (the vodka martinis) and enjoyed more stress-free eating that folks nowadays. I don't promote unhealthy eating, but between unhealthy eaten care free lifestyle or health obsessed, stressed everything gives you cancer lifestyle, I believe the former will be better.
  - stephencanon 12y ago
    The vast majority of the vodka martinis were consumed in her kitchen between 10am and 1pm, not at social events =)
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dandelion_lover 12y ago
You will be surprised, by this will lead you to the plant-based diet. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Zone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Zone and http://www.bluezones.com/ http://www.bluezones.com/
Ollinson 12y ago
The oldest living woman smoked daily into her late 90s.

the_af 12y ago

I suspect those links are biased because the people writing them want to believe eating vegetables and not harming animals is not only ethically right, but also biologically right. However, I think mainstream science currently holds that humans evolved as natural omnivores, eating both vegetables and meat.

Retric 12y ago
The problem with that assessment is omnivores don't just eat the meat. They also eat, cartilage, ligaments, organs, skin, etc. People might love 'Steak and Potatoes' and look down on a hotdog as mystery meat. But chances are the hotdog is closer to what our ancestors were eating. Edit: Ignoring the preservatives etc. PS: Consider, we acutally need to maintian ligaments etc so not eating such things seems somewhat risky.
- kbart 12y ago
  They still do, at least in Europe and Asia. I can hardly think of something uneatable except skin and bones. For example, an old national Lithuanian dish is made of pig's intestine stuffed with blood and pearl-barley. And I won't even start what kind of things I've eaten in China..
  - Filligree 12y ago
    Oh, no, the skin is quite edible. Fry it until it's suitably hard and crispy, and you have a delicious snack.
  - gleenn 12y ago
    Uhhh, if you've had fried chicken you're probably eating the skin. And as you noted about the Chinese eating many things, I believe its pretty common that they eat the bones. I think bone marrow is common in some European dishes. I'd say the big difference between a hotdog and what we ate a long time ago is probably all the hotdog's nitrates.
- a8da6b0c91d 12y ago
  I've seen enough information that I believe it's worth noting glycine and lysine and tryptophan intake for this reason. The problem with muscle meat, ignoring the claims of the article under discussion, is far too much tryptophan and not enough glycine. This is well demonstrated to be inflammatory. Any historically normal consumption of muscle meat would have been accompanied by large amounts of collagen and organs, which appropriately balances the amino acid ratios. So I make a point of eating more gelatin and shellfish in preference to isolated servings of muscle meat.

Swizec 12y ago

I prefer no-nonsense diets. Avoid highly processed foods within reason[1], eat what your body tells you it needs. If you're feeling peckish and your mind is filled with steak, eat steak. If it's filled with pasta, eat pasta. If it's filled with lettuce, eat lettuce. And so on. Avoid snacking if possible. When you notice yourself snacking, just go have a real meal. You're probably hungry. [1] Processed foods in terms of microwave dinners, crazy super ground-up fastfood meats and so on. For instance, a sausage is better than a wiener. A ready-made salad is better than a ready-made smoothie. If at all possible, buy straight up ingredients and assemble yourself. And remember: fat keeps you full the longest, protein keeps you full reasonably long, carbs don't keep you full very long.

gleenn 12y ago
I've heard snacking is actually pretty good at maintaining your blood sugar level. Most people just snack on crap food though, and that's obviously bad.
- Swizec 12y ago
  In my personal experience snacking makes you consume a lot of (ie. more than you need) food, but never leaves you feeling full. Which is bad. If at all possible, it's better to just have a meal which leaves you feeling full for the next 3 hours. It's also easier to focus on work if you aren't constantly thinking about food, which is what happens when you're hungry. The assumption I'm making is that you're having 5 to 6 meals a day. If you call the meal between lunch and supper a snack, then yes, carry on snacking. But don't do that thing where you get up every 10 minutes to put something little in your mouth for four hours straight.

Coincoin 12y ago

> We still don't really "know" what's good for us, and that makes me want to return to what kept us going during the 99% of the time-span of our evolution. I believe we (the general first world population) eat much better than a few hundred years ago. During our evolution we would starve or get scurvy and if lucky would get a meal a day. We adapted. We can eat pretty much any junk and we will survive. The drawback is if we constantly eat exactly the same thing for months, we die. Compare with today, we can buy almost any vegetable imaginable, meat, fat, protein, exotic fruit, minerals any time of the year. This is unprecedented in human history. The problem is the food industry trying to make us crave for the next shit so that we buy more and more of it. Who can blame them? I guess for now the solution is to use common sense, eat a little bit of everything, "good" or "bad", and exercise. As a friend of mine says: "Try to make your body die equally everywhere."

mhb 12y ago
Try to make your body die equally everywhere. Like the "One-Hoss Shay": http://rpo.library.utoronto.ca/poems/deacons-masterpiece-or-wonderful-one-hoss-shay-logical-story http://rpo.library.utoronto.ca/poems/deacons-masterpiece-or-...

samatman 12y ago

We're getting to the point where it makes sense to take a complete, routine genetic profile of every person enrolled in a study, ever. What you're hoping for will more likely take the form of "given your genetics, we recommend avoiding the following foods, in the following combinations, and eating these things at these times". It is also unlikely to take hundreds of years.

wcummings 12y ago

Red meat is linked to a heart disease and some cancers. Comparing that to "each vegetable has a weird side effect" (what?) is intellectually dishonest. Vegetarianism has been given a bad name by "alt medicine" quacks, but reducing red meat consumption is a no brainer.

jeffdavis 12y ago
"Red meat is linked to a heart disease...reducing red meat consumption is a no brainer" "Linked" doesn't mean much (correlated maybe?). But you believe that red meat statistically causes heart disease. Why do you believe that? Is it generally true, or does it only increase the risk for some people?
- wcummings 12y ago
  "Associated with increased risk" is probably a better way to put it. If you're healthy I don't think anyone is saying "don't eat red meat" but I'd think twice about eating a burger for lunch every day.

bane 12y ago

Just eat a little bit of everything, lots of colors, each thing in moderation. It's what really old active people tend to do, and it usually gives you complete nutrition. Diets that omit or focus on one group of edible foods usually turn out to be bad for you in other subtle ways, it's because humans are strongly evolved to be omnivores.