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"The secular army and judiciary have been" The true oppressors for many decades, good riddance. "The hard truth is that Turkey is now the new Saudi Arabia" B

by mda 12y ago

"The secular army and judiciary have been" The true oppressors for many decades, good riddance. "The hard truth is that Turkey is now the new Saudi Arabia" Bollocks. Have you been to both countries? it is like day and night. Google the covers of "Penguen dergisi" or "Leman dergisi" or "Lombak dergisi", "uykusuz dergisi" some popular weekly caricature magazines in Turkey. Current government had made many big mistakes, some unforgivable ones related to internet and freedoms but your comments are utter bs.

toyg 12y ago
> Bollocks. Have you been to both countries? That's not the point. The point is that, from a NATO point of view, they are both necessary allies but also de-facto adversaries on many chessboards. It's not a secret that Turkey is helping IS in the Kurdish regions, for example; like it's not a secret that SA helps radical militias the US reportedly opposes. They simply have different long-term strategic objectives from NATO's, including a different view of the role of religion as instrument of power.
- mda 12y ago
  " It's not a secret that Turkey is helping IS in the Kurdish regions" No this is again BS. Why would Turkey has any benefit from a bunch of murderers? BTW SA is not a Nato member you just can not put Turkey and SA in the same bucket.
  - toyg 12y ago
    > Why would Turkey has any benefit from a bunch of murderers? Because they keep splitting Kurdish territory, weakening Kurdish positions that are instrumental if Kurds are ever to get full statehood -- which would would immediately result in claims over currently-Turkish territory as part of independent Kurdistan. Enemy of my enemy... > BTW SA is not a Nato member Not strictly-speaking, but in practice it's one of the staunchest US allies in the region, on par with Israel. The US built a lot of installations there in the last 20 years, then relinquished them to SA and proceeded to sell them Nato-grade weaponry. If shit started to fly with Putin tomorrow, Saudi Arabia would be on NATO's side, no question.

by mda 12y ago

toyg 12y ago

> Bollocks. Have you been to both countries? That's not the point. The point is that, from a NATO point of view, they are both necessary allies but also de-facto adversaries on many chessboards. It's not a secret that Turkey is helping IS in the Kurdish regions, for example; like it's not a secret that SA helps radical militias the US reportedly opposes. They simply have different long-term strategic objectives from NATO's, including a different view of the role of religion as instrument of power.

mda 12y ago
" It's not a secret that Turkey is helping IS in the Kurdish regions" No this is again BS. Why would Turkey has any benefit from a bunch of murderers? BTW SA is not a Nato member you just can not put Turkey and SA in the same bucket.
- toyg 12y ago
  > Why would Turkey has any benefit from a bunch of murderers? Because they keep splitting Kurdish territory, weakening Kurdish positions that are instrumental if Kurds are ever to get full statehood -- which would would immediately result in claims over currently-Turkish territory as part of independent Kurdistan. Enemy of my enemy... > BTW SA is not a Nato member Not strictly-speaking, but in practice it's one of the staunchest US allies in the region, on par with Israel. The US built a lot of installations there in the last 20 years, then relinquished them to SA and proceeded to sell them Nato-grade weaponry. If shit started to fly with Putin tomorrow, Saudi Arabia would be on NATO's side, no question.