> Decisions like that are made in the open. Yes, and rarely. I've spent 5 minutes trying to think of such an example and failed, maybe you have something in m

> Decisions like that are made in the open. Yes, and rarely. I've spent 5 minutes trying to think of such an example and failed, maybe you have something in mind? > If they want to log RFID tags they have to spend a billion dollars putting readers everywhere, at which point people rip the tags out and the readers are useless. Lol, you throw out a cost like it would be some sort of problem for them to spend money that isn't theirs. You know how you keep people from ripping the tags out? You require manufactures to install them in every vehicle manufactured after September 1st 2007. If people actually start tampering with this legally mandated safety device, lean on the states to add it to the vehicle inspection requirements... for safety. But few will tamper with the tracking, er, safety device - because it adds convenience to their lives and they can't even be bothered to install PGP. > All of those things failed. Nobody gets tired of winning. Only the clipper chip failed. Also, I'm tired - as are many of my friends and coworkers. Up until two years ago about 80% of my time was spent as a security researcher, I burned out. I'd like a systemic fix, because I'm tired of the game. > ... not having mass surveillance. You're arguing the opposite ... I argue the opposite as a method of harm reduction, I thought I made it clear in my top post that an end to state spying would be ideal. Where you and I part ways, I think, is that I believe that it is impossible to prevent and verify. You seem to actually believe the whole "consent of the governed" thing. > ... only practical to do it according to the rules with probable cause rather than in bulk in secret. Until they start monitoring power consumption, in the interest of finding grow houses. [0] Or monitoring sewers in the interest of catching bomb makers. [1] Please don't suggest that we add this to the cat and mouse game, where I now need to invite strangers over for pee parties and hook my dryer up to a noise generator that randomly turns it on in order to stay ahead in the privacy game. [0] http://www.computerworld.com/article/2469854/internet/bitcoin-miners-busted--police-confuse-bitcoin-power-usage-for-pot-farm.html http://www.computerworld.com/article/2469854/internet/bitcoi... [1] http://www.popsci.com/article/technology/sewer-sensors-detect-homemade-bombs-theyre-being-made http://www.popsci.com/article/technology/sewer-sensors-detec...