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The original news title says "Turkish court to block Facebook pages insulting Prophet Muhammad" http://www.trt.net.tr/english/turkey/2015/01/26/turkish-court-

by halov 12y ago

The original news title says "Turkish court to block Facebook pages insulting Prophet Muhammad" http://www.trt.net.tr/english/turkey/2015/01/26/turkish-court-to-block-facebook-pages-insulting-prophet-muhammad-152446 http://www.trt.net.tr/english/turkey/2015/01/26/turkish-cour... "Insulting" and "critical" are not the same thing, so the truth is quite twisted in the NY Times article title.

yummybear 12y ago
I think most religious people are going to claim that being critical is the same as being insulting. Can you claim that (for example) being critical about Jesus' deeds is not the same as insulting him?
blueskin_ 12y ago
Both muslims and their western apologists have such huge issues over it, that anything critical at all including the most highly legitimate comments or use of any form of parody at all is immediately decried as 'racist' (even though a religion is not a race) or 'islamophobic', their favourite snarl word.
ggreer 12y ago
We all draw a line between "critical" and "insulting", but everyone's line is different. What you consider insulting, I might not, and vice-versa. From your link, it sounds like the banned content was the cover of the latest Charlie Hebdo[1]. Personally, I don't find that insulting or critical of Muhammad. Others may think differently, and they have every right to. But more importantly: Government-enforced censorship bothers me, even when it's of content I find insulting or offensive. I don't like the state deciding what I'm allowed to see or hear. I'm mature enough to make those decisions for myself. 1. https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/charlie-hebdo-cover.jpg https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/charlie-hebdo-...
- halov 12y ago
  If we want any kind of constructive interaction, insults must be avoided. Unlike criticism, insult is always malicious, hostile and harmful.
  - icebraining 12y ago
    What makes an image malicious, hostile or harmful is still different for each person. I don't see any of that in the latest cover of CH.

by halov 12y ago

yummybear 12y ago

I think most religious people are going to claim that being critical is the same as being insulting. Can you claim that (for example) being critical about Jesus' deeds is not the same as insulting him?

blueskin_ 12y ago

Both muslims and their western apologists have such huge issues over it, that anything critical at all including the most highly legitimate comments or use of any form of parody at all is immediately decried as 'racist' (even though a religion is not a race) or 'islamophobic', their favourite snarl word.

ggreer 12y ago

We all draw a line between "critical" and "insulting", but everyone's line is different. What you consider insulting, I might not, and vice-versa. From your link, it sounds like the banned content was the cover of the latest Charlie Hebdo[1]. Personally, I don't find that insulting or critical of Muhammad. Others may think differently, and they have every right to. But more importantly: Government-enforced censorship bothers me, even when it's of content I find insulting or offensive. I don't like the state deciding what I'm allowed to see or hear. I'm mature enough to make those decisions for myself. 1. https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/charlie-hebdo-cover.jpg https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/charlie-hebdo-...

halov 12y ago
If we want any kind of constructive interaction, insults must be avoided. Unlike criticism, insult is always malicious, hostile and harmful.
- icebraining 12y ago
  What makes an image malicious, hostile or harmful is still different for each person. I don't see any of that in the latest cover of CH.