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While I do think it's important to get the tried, tested, and true vaccines, I am not sure about some of the newer ones. There have been many stories in the pa

by xexers 17y ago

While I do think it's important to get the tried, tested, and true vaccines, I am not sure about some of the newer ones. There have been many stories in the past of people getting worse off from brand new vaccines. For new vaccines I use at my own discretion.

ars 17y ago
I have the same policy - I will not use a vaccine until it's been in (at least moderate) use for at least 10-15 years. A good policy is never use a vaccine that is still under patent (although that's 21 years, which is probably too much).
- nollidge 17y ago
  Lots of people are dying of vaccine-preventable disease. They are quite obviously not dying, or even getting sick, from vaccines, except in extremely rare cases. So, that's a terrible policy. Edit: removed inflammatory language. Sorry.
  - ars 17y ago
    > Lots of people are dying of vaccine-preventable disease. And all of those have vaccines that are much older than 10 years. And I use them - all of them. The recent vaccines are for things that don't kill, or kill in such small numbers (in the US) that the risk is almost unmeasurable. Varicella, rotavirus, HPV, flu. Rotavirus for example, should simply not be used in the US. In Africa? Sure. But not in the US. Does rotavirus kill in the US? Yes, sometimes (about 37 cases per year). But the added risk of 100 million people in the US driving on the road to get the vaccination kills more people than the illness itself does. (Ok, not quite, but it's close.) I'm very pro-vaccine, I just won't use new ones. And just to confirm my policy of waiting, remember the fatal cases of intussusception that happened with the first rotavirus vaccine.
    - nollidge 17y ago
      > And all of those have vaccines that are much older than 10 years. Swine flu has killed 4,735 people [1] so far, and the vaccine is brand new. Seasonal flu kills about 36,000 people [2] a year in the U.S. alone, and the vaccine is different every year. [1] http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_10_16/en/index.html http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_10_16/en/index.html [2] http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSN2932292920080329 http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSN2932292920080...
nollidge 17y ago
Perhaps instead of reading stories, you should look for evidence. Then you would see that such stories are incredibly rare among the population at large.
- xexers 17y ago
  Just so we stay on point here, I am only talking about NEW vaccines here. I support ones that have been established. Well, evidence to one particular story comes to mind: "Still, as observed by a participant in the immunization program, the vaccine killed more Americans than the disease did." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swine_flu#1976_U.S._outbreak http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swine_flu#1976_U.S._outbreak
  - nollidge 17y ago
    Yes, in the 1976 outbreak, out of the 48 million people who were vaccinated, 500 got Guillane-Barré Syndrome (0.00001%) and 25 died (0.00000052%). In that case, the virus miraculously did not spread beyond Fort Dix. Today, however, the virus is quite clearly everywhere, and 4700 people have already died of it.

by xexers 17y ago

ars 17y ago

I have the same policy - I will not use a vaccine until it's been in (at least moderate) use for at least 10-15 years. A good policy is never use a vaccine that is still under patent (although that's 21 years, which is probably too much).

nollidge 17y ago
Lots of people are dying of vaccine-preventable disease. They are quite obviously not dying, or even getting sick, from vaccines, except in extremely rare cases. So, that's a terrible policy. Edit: removed inflammatory language. Sorry.
- ars 17y ago
  > Lots of people are dying of vaccine-preventable disease. And all of those have vaccines that are much older than 10 years. And I use them - all of them. The recent vaccines are for things that don't kill, or kill in such small numbers (in the US) that the risk is almost unmeasurable. Varicella, rotavirus, HPV, flu. Rotavirus for example, should simply not be used in the US. In Africa? Sure. But not in the US. Does rotavirus kill in the US? Yes, sometimes (about 37 cases per year). But the added risk of 100 million people in the US driving on the road to get the vaccination kills more people than the illness itself does. (Ok, not quite, but it's close.) I'm very pro-vaccine, I just won't use new ones. And just to confirm my policy of waiting, remember the fatal cases of intussusception that happened with the first rotavirus vaccine.
  - nollidge 17y ago
    > And all of those have vaccines that are much older than 10 years. Swine flu has killed 4,735 people [1] so far, and the vaccine is brand new. Seasonal flu kills about 36,000 people [2] a year in the U.S. alone, and the vaccine is different every year. [1] http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_10_16/en/index.html http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_10_16/en/index.html [2] http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSN2932292920080329 http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSN2932292920080...

nollidge 17y ago

Perhaps instead of reading stories, you should look for evidence. Then you would see that such stories are incredibly rare among the population at large.

xexers 17y ago
Just so we stay on point here, I am only talking about NEW vaccines here. I support ones that have been established. Well, evidence to one particular story comes to mind: "Still, as observed by a participant in the immunization program, the vaccine killed more Americans than the disease did." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swine_flu#1976_U.S._outbreak http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swine_flu#1976_U.S._outbreak
- nollidge 17y ago
  Yes, in the 1976 outbreak, out of the 48 million people who were vaccinated, 500 got Guillane-Barré Syndrome (0.00001%) and 25 died (0.00000052%). In that case, the virus miraculously did not spread beyond Fort Dix. Today, however, the virus is quite clearly everywhere, and 4700 people have already died of it.