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None--in the presence of strong AI, then by definition machines could do anything humans can do, but faster and more consistently, so machines would eventually

by kyllo 12y ago

None--in the presence of strong AI, then by definition machines could do anything humans can do, but faster and more consistently, so machines would eventually make human labor totally obsolete. I don't see it happening in my lifetime, though. I think we're still millenia away from that.

lamuerteflaca 12y ago
As person trying to creat Strong AI I'm really afraid somebody will beat me to it. It really feels like we are quite close. Like within a couple of decades if not less.
wtallis 12y ago
Is the term "strong AI" generally considered to imply that it's faster and more efficient than humans? I usually only think about it in terms of breadth of capabilities, and I expect that when we do build it, it will initially be extremely power-hungry and not necessarily real-time by human standards.
- kyllo 12y ago
  Perhaps, but then because it's strong AI, wouldn't it be capable of gathering and applying resources toward improving and reproducing itself? Even if it's very expensive and slow at first, theoretically it would be smart enough to work on making itself faster, cheaper, and better. Perhaps I've seen too many science fiction movies, like Transcendence, but I thought that was basically what was meant by "strong AI."
  - wtallis 12y ago
    It's assumed that strong AI will be able to improve itself, in an exponential fashion according to Moore's Law. But an AI still has to overcome the same very real challenges that we humans face in trying to build ever-faster computers. A strong AI can only work magic on the software problems; it can't make ultrapure silicon crystals grow any faster and it can't make electron leakage just disappear. It still faces the same risk of silicon semiconductors being fundamentally unable to scale to the performance level required, forcing humans or AI to start over with an alternative computing substrate. It can't solve any of these hardware challenges overnight because they require physical experimentation. So I think it's reasonable to think that the development of a strong AI won't change things overnight and we could see decades of lag between first having a computer capable of strong AI at any speed and having a strong AI that outpaces humans.

by kyllo 12y ago

lamuerteflaca 12y ago

As person trying to creat Strong AI I'm really afraid somebody will beat me to it. It really feels like we are quite close. Like within a couple of decades if not less.

wtallis 12y ago

Is the term "strong AI" generally considered to imply that it's faster and more efficient than humans? I usually only think about it in terms of breadth of capabilities, and I expect that when we do build it, it will initially be extremely power-hungry and not necessarily real-time by human standards.

kyllo 12y ago
Perhaps, but then because it's strong AI, wouldn't it be capable of gathering and applying resources toward improving and reproducing itself? Even if it's very expensive and slow at first, theoretically it would be smart enough to work on making itself faster, cheaper, and better. Perhaps I've seen too many science fiction movies, like Transcendence, but I thought that was basically what was meant by "strong AI."
- wtallis 12y ago
  It's assumed that strong AI will be able to improve itself, in an exponential fashion according to Moore's Law. But an AI still has to overcome the same very real challenges that we humans face in trying to build ever-faster computers. A strong AI can only work magic on the software problems; it can't make ultrapure silicon crystals grow any faster and it can't make electron leakage just disappear. It still faces the same risk of silicon semiconductors being fundamentally unable to scale to the performance level required, forcing humans or AI to start over with an alternative computing substrate. It can't solve any of these hardware challenges overnight because they require physical experimentation. So I think it's reasonable to think that the development of a strong AI won't change things overnight and we could see decades of lag between first having a computer capable of strong AI at any speed and having a strong AI that outpaces humans.