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While I think this sort of research is useful- I dont think this is anything that will affect people in real life. This is more the makings of a plot from the m

by S_A_P 12y ago

While I think this sort of research is useful- I dont think this is anything that will affect people in real life. This is more the makings of a plot from the movie "Taken". If someone wants to rob your house, they will break in and probably be in and out before police can respond. A thief isnt going to jam your alarm systems radio and pull some elaborate hack to steal your laptop or flat screen tv.

SEJeff 12y ago
People said the exact same thing about RF car fobs years ago. It is only a matter of time before the technology comes down in price and the software for doing this type of thing becomes more common. Never say never.
- Someone1234 12y ago
  And they were largely right. Cars are laughably insecure by computing standards, but yet stolen cars are at a low (when you adjust for total cars). They're also targeting pre-digital cars still on the road, if you look at the DMV's "top stolen cars" list, they're almost all 1990s cars or older. You read a few stories about the "Russian maffia" having key fobs which can unlock modern cars, but these are few and far between. Even the more common ODB-II port key reset method is fairly rare, but gets heavily reported when it does occur. So I'm going to use the same example, but use that example as evidence that this won't become common: just like cars, and garage door openers.
  - cones688 12y ago
    This is becoming a massive issue in London with the met actively conceding that gangs have the codes for JLR cars such as Range Rovers. http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/pull-over-all-range-rovers-in-kensington-police-are-told-in-crackdown-on-spate-of-thefts-9979074.html http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/pull-over-all-range-ro...
    - sk5t 12y ago
      Interesting... a 25% year-over-year spike in thefts is huge and certainly suggests new theft tools are greasing the rails.
  - jacquesm 12y ago
    BMW has/had a serious issue with this. Here is one nice example: http://www.autoblog.nl/is-het-zo-makkelijk-om-een-bmw-1m-te-stelen-video http://www.autoblog.nl/is-het-zo-makkelijk-om-een-bmw-1m-te-...
_nullandnull_ 12y ago
> While I think this sort of research is useful- I dont think this is anything that will affect people in real life. Minus the part where ADT is having to defend themselves against a class action suit. I'd consider that "real life".
jimkri 12y ago
Well I think there's a lot more places that someone would do something like this. Like a country club that is full of valuables could be a big target, especially if there are a lot of trophies or sports equipment.
fabulist 12y ago
They might be willing to invest the time and money to become proficient at this attack, if they believe they'll be able to use it on several high-value heists -- think jewelry shops or museums, if you knock over a handful of those without causing a fuss you could make many times your investment.

by S_A_P 12y ago

SEJeff 12y ago

People said the exact same thing about RF car fobs years ago. It is only a matter of time before the technology comes down in price and the software for doing this type of thing becomes more common. Never say never.

Someone1234 12y ago
And they were largely right. Cars are laughably insecure by computing standards, but yet stolen cars are at a low (when you adjust for total cars). They're also targeting pre-digital cars still on the road, if you look at the DMV's "top stolen cars" list, they're almost all 1990s cars or older. You read a few stories about the "Russian maffia" having key fobs which can unlock modern cars, but these are few and far between. Even the more common ODB-II port key reset method is fairly rare, but gets heavily reported when it does occur. So I'm going to use the same example, but use that example as evidence that this won't become common: just like cars, and garage door openers.
- cones688 12y ago
  This is becoming a massive issue in London with the met actively conceding that gangs have the codes for JLR cars such as Range Rovers. http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/pull-over-all-range-rovers-in-kensington-police-are-told-in-crackdown-on-spate-of-thefts-9979074.html http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/pull-over-all-range-ro...
  - sk5t 12y ago
    Interesting... a 25% year-over-year spike in thefts is huge and certainly suggests new theft tools are greasing the rails.
- jacquesm 12y ago
  BMW has/had a serious issue with this. Here is one nice example: http://www.autoblog.nl/is-het-zo-makkelijk-om-een-bmw-1m-te-stelen-video http://www.autoblog.nl/is-het-zo-makkelijk-om-een-bmw-1m-te-...

_nullandnull_ 12y ago

> While I think this sort of research is useful- I dont think this is anything that will affect people in real life. Minus the part where ADT is having to defend themselves against a class action suit. I'd consider that "real life".

jimkri 12y ago

Well I think there's a lot more places that someone would do something like this. Like a country club that is full of valuables could be a big target, especially if there are a lot of trophies or sports equipment.

fabulist 12y ago

They might be willing to invest the time and money to become proficient at this attack, if they believe they'll be able to use it on several high-value heists -- think jewelry shops or museums, if you knock over a handful of those without causing a fuss you could make many times your investment.