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> Considering that it appears to disproportionally target women That's a pretty big [citation needed]. All I see is that misogyny is a disproportionally popula

by fnef 12y ago

> Considering that it appears to disproportionally target women That's a pretty big [citation needed]. All I see is that misogyny is a disproportionally popular news item, which is not at all the same thing. And if it's just an expression of people's mental disorders, that's not hate, and it's not productive to fixing the issue to call it hate when it's not.

mercurial 12y ago
> That's a pretty big [citation needed]. All I see is that misogyny is a disproportionally popular news item, which is not at all the same thing. I have to admit I don't have hard numbers to back my claims, but I think it would be common knowledge if men were routinely called "sluts" and threatened with rape by trolls. > And if it's just an expression of people's mental disorders, that's not hate, and it's not productive to fixing the issue to call it hate when it's not. Oh, for that matter, I think most racists and homophobes could use psychological help as well, but it doesn't change their behaviour.
- DanBC 12y ago
  Men are routinely the subject of death threats and similar style trolling. Men who die have their rememberance pages trolled. Young men are entrapped by criminal gangs into sending them nude photographs, which are then used to blackmail those young men. Sexual violence online appears to be mostly aimed at women, and mostly from men. But it's not hard to find examples of men receiving those threats or women making threats of sexual violence. This is especially true for non-hetero-normative men. It's a hard problem. Well funded companies full of smart people have tackled it and failed (youtube comments). Just for clarity: the experience of women online is likely to be pretty miserable. Many people, of both sexes, experience hatred. PS: I hate it when people ascribe bigoted opinions to mental illness. That excuses the behaviour whilst also stigmatising mental illhealth. Arseholes are arseholes because they're arseholes, not because they have a mental illness that causes them to be an arsehole.
  - mercurial 12y ago
    > Young men are entrapped by criminal gangs into sending them nude photographs, which are then used to blackmail those young men. But that's just a business model (granted, it doesn't make any difference to the victim). Misogynists threaten for free. > Arseholes are arseholes because they're arseholes, not because they have a mental illness that causes them to be an arsehole. My working hypothesis is that well-adjusted people don't spend their free time sending rape/death threats over the Internet.

by fnef 12y ago

mercurial 12y ago

> That's a pretty big [citation needed]. All I see is that misogyny is a disproportionally popular news item, which is not at all the same thing. I have to admit I don't have hard numbers to back my claims, but I think it would be common knowledge if men were routinely called "sluts" and threatened with rape by trolls. > And if it's just an expression of people's mental disorders, that's not hate, and it's not productive to fixing the issue to call it hate when it's not. Oh, for that matter, I think most racists and homophobes could use psychological help as well, but it doesn't change their behaviour.

DanBC 12y ago
Men are routinely the subject of death threats and similar style trolling. Men who die have their rememberance pages trolled. Young men are entrapped by criminal gangs into sending them nude photographs, which are then used to blackmail those young men. Sexual violence online appears to be mostly aimed at women, and mostly from men. But it's not hard to find examples of men receiving those threats or women making threats of sexual violence. This is especially true for non-hetero-normative men. It's a hard problem. Well funded companies full of smart people have tackled it and failed (youtube comments). Just for clarity: the experience of women online is likely to be pretty miserable. Many people, of both sexes, experience hatred. PS: I hate it when people ascribe bigoted opinions to mental illness. That excuses the behaviour whilst also stigmatising mental illhealth. Arseholes are arseholes because they're arseholes, not because they have a mental illness that causes them to be an arsehole.
- mercurial 12y ago
  > Young men are entrapped by criminal gangs into sending them nude photographs, which are then used to blackmail those young men. But that's just a business model (granted, it doesn't make any difference to the victim). Misogynists threaten for free. > Arseholes are arseholes because they're arseholes, not because they have a mental illness that causes them to be an arsehole. My working hypothesis is that well-adjusted people don't spend their free time sending rape/death threats over the Internet.