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I made it up to "this were all men" and "this isn't about me, it's about hatred of women" and I remorselessly closed the window as if I stepped into a quarrel t

I made it up to "this were all men" and "this isn't about me, it's about hatred of women" and I remorselessly closed the window as if I stepped into a quarrel that is none of my business. In my universe there is no such thing as "hatred of women" and the psychopathic misogynists are like UFOs. I keep hearing about them but I have never seen any.

nrinaudo 12y ago
dstoyanov, a few comments down, is not a bad example of them.
- scribu 12y ago
  I think implying that someone is a "psychopathic misogynist" just from a single comment is a bit harsh.
  - nrinaudo 12y ago
    Fair enough, he might also be a troll or a teenager - or, god forbid, both. I accept your rebuke, I was being unfair.
  - ZeroGravitas 12y ago
    Implying that the woman who wrote this article is a liar, and has invented her story like a UFO abductee, also seems harsh, some might say "misogynistic" even. Sadly this attitude seems too common to put it down to psychopathy, which is seemingly only about 1 percent of the population (though mostly male apparently).
- fnef 12y ago
  All I see is a comment about being careful about where you upload your naked pictures. I don't see any mention of gender at all. I'm not sure where you see a suggestion of hatred, of women, or psychopathy.
- throwmeunder 12y ago
  No. It's the most common and primitive reaction to a preventable problem. Bike stolen? Don't leave it in a bad spot. Mugged? Don't walk through back alleys. Server hacked? Don't listen on all ports. Email? Bad password + reuse. If you've never been on the receiving end of a similar comment you don't know how irritating and unhelpful it is. It's not malice or hatred .. it's a lack of a different perspective and information.
Squarel 12y ago
"There is no hatred of women" is like saying "There is no hatred of [insert other group here]" If you want to find them, look for the individuals who repeatedly post derogatory comments and hateful comments under any post made by a female.
- fnef 12y ago
  I challenge the notion that online trolls are genuinely hateful, almost regardless of their target. They're just sadists who find pleasure in other's suffering. I think it's horrible and these people deserve rehabilitative punishment by law, but it's silly to label it as hate, or, when the target happens to be female, misogyny.
  - mercurial 12y ago
    Considering that it appears to disproportionally target women, labeling it "misogyny" seems completely fair, whatever underlying mental disorder they suffer from.
    - fnef 12y ago
      > Considering that it appears to disproportionally target women That's a pretty big [citation needed]. All I see is that misogyny is a disproportionally popular news item, which is not at all the same thing. And if it's just an expression of people's mental disorders, that's not hate, and it's not productive to fixing the issue to call it hate when it's not.
      - mercurial 12y ago
        > That's a pretty big [citation needed]. All I see is that misogyny is a disproportionally popular news item, which is not at all the same thing. I have to admit I don't have hard numbers to back my claims, but I think it would be common knowledge if men were routinely called "sluts" and threatened with rape by trolls. > And if it's just an expression of people's mental disorders, that's not hate, and it's not productive to fixing the issue to call it hate when it's not. Oh, for that matter, I think most racists and homophobes could use psychological help as well, but it doesn't change their behaviour.
mercurial 12y ago
What universe is that? One where all the foaming-at-the-mouth misogynists trolls have had their Internet license of abusing people protected by long distance and anonymity revoked? The fact that you "keep hearing about them" should give you a hint. Women who come to the attention of a subsection of Internet trolls do find themselves harassed online (death threats, rape threats, etc.). See Gamergate or Adria Richards for recent examples. It's pretty well documented.
- leaveyou 12y ago
  It's a more sane universe than yours it seems. And I'm going to keep it that way by excluding people like you from it if you can't tone down your aggresivity. I don't know what Gamergate is nor do I know Adria Richards and I don't intend to know all the victims in this world. /ignored
  - mercurial 12y ago
    You'll have noticed that most of my vitriol was directed toward the aforementioned trolls. But the snark was unwarranted. > I don't know what Gamergate is nor do I know Adria Richards and I don't intend to know all the victims in this world. Are you both claiming that these things do not happen, and refusing information about them? That's a dishonest way of conducting a discussion.
tom-lord 12y ago
I keep hearing about Islamic terrorists, but I haven't seen any. Doesn't mean they don't exist, or aren't causing problems in the world!
- leaveyou 12y ago
  It's a small word but makes a big difference: "my". In MY universe. The people I know directly. I don't know directly any misogynistic persons nor do I know terrorists and psychopaths. So the subject is not relevant to me and I don't feel guilty nor responsible about what other people do.
leaveyou 12y ago
The fact that I got downvoted 5 times in less than a minute for saying that in MY "universe" (technically that part of the universe that I'm perceiving directly) there is far less abuse and psychopaths than in other's "universes" says a lot about the quality and usefulness of this conversation. Having a dissonant feeling, opinion or view is penalized like you penalize bad behavior in a trained dog. I clearly don't belong to the HN herd and you can shove karma up your a$$. This is just a hypocritical herd praising diversity and political correctness while (self?)governed by some opinion Nazis. So long and thanks for all the fish.

nrinaudo 12y ago

dstoyanov, a few comments down, is not a bad example of them.

scribu 12y ago
I think implying that someone is a "psychopathic misogynist" just from a single comment is a bit harsh.
- nrinaudo 12y ago
  Fair enough, he might also be a troll or a teenager - or, god forbid, both. I accept your rebuke, I was being unfair.
- ZeroGravitas 12y ago
  Implying that the woman who wrote this article is a liar, and has invented her story like a UFO abductee, also seems harsh, some might say "misogynistic" even. Sadly this attitude seems too common to put it down to psychopathy, which is seemingly only about 1 percent of the population (though mostly male apparently).
fnef 12y ago
All I see is a comment about being careful about where you upload your naked pictures. I don't see any mention of gender at all. I'm not sure where you see a suggestion of hatred, of women, or psychopathy.
throwmeunder 12y ago
No. It's the most common and primitive reaction to a preventable problem. Bike stolen? Don't leave it in a bad spot. Mugged? Don't walk through back alleys. Server hacked? Don't listen on all ports. Email? Bad password + reuse. If you've never been on the receiving end of a similar comment you don't know how irritating and unhelpful it is. It's not malice or hatred .. it's a lack of a different perspective and information.

Squarel 12y ago

"There is no hatred of women" is like saying "There is no hatred of [insert other group here]" If you want to find them, look for the individuals who repeatedly post derogatory comments and hateful comments under any post made by a female.

fnef 12y ago
I challenge the notion that online trolls are genuinely hateful, almost regardless of their target. They're just sadists who find pleasure in other's suffering. I think it's horrible and these people deserve rehabilitative punishment by law, but it's silly to label it as hate, or, when the target happens to be female, misogyny.
- mercurial 12y ago
  Considering that it appears to disproportionally target women, labeling it "misogyny" seems completely fair, whatever underlying mental disorder they suffer from.
  - fnef 12y ago
    > Considering that it appears to disproportionally target women That's a pretty big [citation needed]. All I see is that misogyny is a disproportionally popular news item, which is not at all the same thing. And if it's just an expression of people's mental disorders, that's not hate, and it's not productive to fixing the issue to call it hate when it's not.
    - mercurial 12y ago
      > That's a pretty big [citation needed]. All I see is that misogyny is a disproportionally popular news item, which is not at all the same thing. I have to admit I don't have hard numbers to back my claims, but I think it would be common knowledge if men were routinely called "sluts" and threatened with rape by trolls. > And if it's just an expression of people's mental disorders, that's not hate, and it's not productive to fixing the issue to call it hate when it's not. Oh, for that matter, I think most racists and homophobes could use psychological help as well, but it doesn't change their behaviour.

mercurial 12y ago

What universe is that? One where all the foaming-at-the-mouth misogynists trolls have had their Internet license of abusing people protected by long distance and anonymity revoked? The fact that you "keep hearing about them" should give you a hint. Women who come to the attention of a subsection of Internet trolls do find themselves harassed online (death threats, rape threats, etc.). See Gamergate or Adria Richards for recent examples. It's pretty well documented.

leaveyou 12y ago
It's a more sane universe than yours it seems. And I'm going to keep it that way by excluding people like you from it if you can't tone down your aggresivity. I don't know what Gamergate is nor do I know Adria Richards and I don't intend to know all the victims in this world. /ignored
- mercurial 12y ago
  You'll have noticed that most of my vitriol was directed toward the aforementioned trolls. But the snark was unwarranted. > I don't know what Gamergate is nor do I know Adria Richards and I don't intend to know all the victims in this world. Are you both claiming that these things do not happen, and refusing information about them? That's a dishonest way of conducting a discussion.

tom-lord 12y ago

I keep hearing about Islamic terrorists, but I haven't seen any. Doesn't mean they don't exist, or aren't causing problems in the world!

leaveyou 12y ago
It's a small word but makes a big difference: "my". In MY universe. The people I know directly. I don't know directly any misogynistic persons nor do I know terrorists and psychopaths. So the subject is not relevant to me and I don't feel guilty nor responsible about what other people do.

leaveyou 12y ago

The fact that I got downvoted 5 times in less than a minute for saying that in MY "universe" (technically that part of the universe that I'm perceiving directly) there is far less abuse and psychopaths than in other's "universes" says a lot about the quality and usefulness of this conversation. Having a dissonant feeling, opinion or view is penalized like you penalize bad behavior in a trained dog. I clearly don't belong to the HN herd and you can shove karma up your a$$. This is just a hypocritical herd praising diversity and political correctness while (self?)governed by some opinion Nazis. So long and thanks for all the fish.