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"But generating is fairly easy and testing pretty hard." This is the reason he thinks computers won't be creatives. But testing theories in science or math can
by minthd 12y ago
"But generating is fairly easy and testing pretty hard."
This is the reason he thinks computers won't be creatives. But testing theories in science or math can be automated(in most cases). So technological creativity is possible ,and that what's the singularity talks about(although the testing can be quite lengthy and expensive ,which might really slow the singularity maybe to the point of no singularity at all).
And as for artistic creativity - that depends on if we can build some model on how humans evaluate art in general. Who knows, maybe we can build a good model of that. We've certainly improved from say 100-200 years ago where most artists we're considered geniuses, to today ,where a large percent of commercial art is at least is generated or least guided by knowledge on how to create good stories, etc.
- thibauts 12y ago> But testing theories in science or math can be automated(in most cases). [...] (although the testing can be quite lengthy and expensive ,which might really slow the singularity maybe to the point of no singularity at all). So we would be back to the problem being raw computing power. > And as for artistic creativity - that depends on if we can build some model on how humans evaluate art in general. I'm pretty sure that's culture and social experience in general that allow us to evaluate art. Not sure robots will be able to do that soon, as it seems to be a product of our intricate biological structure. > [...] to today ,where a large percent of commercial art is at least is generated or least guided by knowledge on how to create good stories, etc. So maybe robots are not as much becoming humans as we're becoming robots.
- haliax 12y ago"seems to be a product of our intricate biological structure" How do you know?
- thibauts 12y ago"seems". I guess that's the most resonable assumption. What else ?
- minthd 12y ago>> I'm pretty sure that's culture and social experience in general that allow us to evaluate art. Not sure robots will be able to do that soon, as it seems to be a product of our intricate biological structure. That doesn't tell us much about the limits of models trying to emulate that to some level of accuracy. It just tells us it's complex. But we can create complex models.