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> I would argue there are other causes, more worthy money and effort. Serious question: How many hours does a person have to be detained illegally in the Unite

> I would argue there are other causes, more worthy money and effort. Serious question: How many hours does a person have to be detained illegally in the United States for it to warrant money and effort from the ACLU? You appear to have a specific metric for when injustice warrants response and I'm afraid I'm going to have to take you to task about it.

jkot 12y ago
Serious cases starts somewhere around 2 months. Around that time permanent damage starts to pile up. I am not sure what exact laws are in US. But in most countries police has right to detain people up to 24 hours without a warrant. I think in that case it was 'illegal' because police officer forgot some paperwork or said something explicit on record. Easy shot for ACLU.
- intopieces 12y ago
  The issue is that when you give the police an inch, they beat you to within that inch of your life. The system in place in most countries sounds horrifying when put into the context of the American policing system.
  - jkot 12y ago
    I understand where are you getting. But this is wrong battleground. Even most peace-full country, will have airport security with some sort of right to detain people. For example they could claim his passport is fake, and detain him until he proves his identity otherwise. This case does not really solve anything. With more similar cases, parliament just passes new law: Airport has special security rule, is not US soil until you pass some checkpoint whatever. Real solution is to go after causes where it really hurts. This guy got $5.000/hour. Now imagine someone who spend 7 months in jail at this rate.
    - vacri 12y ago
      This guy got $5.000/hour Per hour in jail. Not including the time in the airport detention, the missed flight, the missed journey, and all the hours spent preparing and dealing with the legal case.
- jnbiche 12y ago
  Are you serious? You can just be absent from your job for 2 months with no consequences? What country is this? Here, being absent from 99.9% of jobs here for 2 months because you're in jail would result in getting fired, which is without doubt "permanent damage". And once you've been incarcerated here in the US, your chances of getting a job become substantially harder. So this kind of event routinely cause permanent unemployment. Even worse, 2 months in a US jail and you have a decent chance of getting raped. Is that serious enough for you?

jkot 12y ago

Serious cases starts somewhere around 2 months. Around that time permanent damage starts to pile up. I am not sure what exact laws are in US. But in most countries police has right to detain people up to 24 hours without a warrant. I think in that case it was 'illegal' because police officer forgot some paperwork or said something explicit on record. Easy shot for ACLU.

intopieces 12y ago
The issue is that when you give the police an inch, they beat you to within that inch of your life. The system in place in most countries sounds horrifying when put into the context of the American policing system.
- jkot 12y ago
  I understand where are you getting. But this is wrong battleground. Even most peace-full country, will have airport security with some sort of right to detain people. For example they could claim his passport is fake, and detain him until he proves his identity otherwise. This case does not really solve anything. With more similar cases, parliament just passes new law: Airport has special security rule, is not US soil until you pass some checkpoint whatever. Real solution is to go after causes where it really hurts. This guy got $5.000/hour. Now imagine someone who spend 7 months in jail at this rate.
  - vacri 12y ago
    This guy got $5.000/hour Per hour in jail. Not including the time in the airport detention, the missed flight, the missed journey, and all the hours spent preparing and dealing with the legal case.
jnbiche 12y ago
Are you serious? You can just be absent from your job for 2 months with no consequences? What country is this? Here, being absent from 99.9% of jobs here for 2 months because you're in jail would result in getting fired, which is without doubt "permanent damage". And once you've been incarcerated here in the US, your chances of getting a job become substantially harder. So this kind of event routinely cause permanent unemployment. Even worse, 2 months in a US jail and you have a decent chance of getting raped. Is that serious enough for you?