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It's a list sorted by revenue. Female sports don't make a fraction of what male sports do. Female's in general are not as interested in sports as makes are.

by EpicEng 12y ago

It's a list sorted by revenue. Female sports don't make a fraction of what male sports do. Female's in general are not as interested in sports as makes are. Whether cultural or not is debatable, though I imagine at least a large part of it is. However, a list like this is not proof that women are not allowed the opportunity, only that, when given the opportunity, they have failed to capitalize on it. Look at the WNBA. I of course admit that the argument can get circular. Current culture -> unsuccessful female sports -> reinforcement of current culture. EDIT: Care to comment? What about this is factually incorrect?

DanBC 12y ago
They get paid less; they don't get to set their pay; but it's somehow their fault that they get paid less?
- rglullis 12y ago
  It's the same for men in fashion. It is just a matter of market value. We are talking about opportunities here, not how valued they are.
  - jessaustin 12y ago
    You can talk about whatever you want. When I kicked off the thread, it was to point out how the structure of sports in our society puts women in a ghetto, in ways that e.g. the admittedly imperfect tech industry doesn't even approach, and yet sports get a complete pass on this. Even many outspoken feminists settle for Title-IX-style resource-grubbing rather than challenging the basic structure of the ghetto. Any argument you might make defending the sports status quo would have applied to any sexist cultural institution ever. Case in point: every single sentence in the comment to which this is a response.
    - rglullis 12y ago
      I guess we are talking about very different things. I am talking about opportunities in sports, not about the state of the sports industry. The men's basketball medal counts just the same as the women's in the Olympics. They both had to train and practice the same to get to that point. That's all I care when I think about opportunities.
- EpicEng 12y ago
  They get paid less because they work in a much smaller market. Does it also upset you that stage actors make less than AAA movie stars?
  - glomph 12y ago
    People are not blocked from being AAA movie stars on the basis of their gender.
    - EpicEng 12y ago
      Right, because they have the physical capacity to compete. In the NFL, the NBA, the MLB, etc., they don't. They just plain don't. If that confuses you then go take it out on God or biology.
      - glomph 12y ago
        If that is true why not let women try out for it?
        EpicEng 12y ago
        Because at best it's a publicity stunt and wastes the time of all involved? Do you really think that a woman can compete with men on a football field? C'mon. Even the women in these sports laugh at the idea.

by EpicEng 12y ago

DanBC 12y ago

They get paid less; they don't get to set their pay; but it's somehow their fault that they get paid less?

rglullis 12y ago
It's the same for men in fashion. It is just a matter of market value. We are talking about opportunities here, not how valued they are.
- jessaustin 12y ago
  You can talk about whatever you want. When I kicked off the thread, it was to point out how the structure of sports in our society puts women in a ghetto, in ways that e.g. the admittedly imperfect tech industry doesn't even approach, and yet sports get a complete pass on this. Even many outspoken feminists settle for Title-IX-style resource-grubbing rather than challenging the basic structure of the ghetto. Any argument you might make defending the sports status quo would have applied to any sexist cultural institution ever. Case in point: every single sentence in the comment to which this is a response.
  - rglullis 12y ago
    I guess we are talking about very different things. I am talking about opportunities in sports, not about the state of the sports industry. The men's basketball medal counts just the same as the women's in the Olympics. They both had to train and practice the same to get to that point. That's all I care when I think about opportunities.
EpicEng 12y ago
They get paid less because they work in a much smaller market. Does it also upset you that stage actors make less than AAA movie stars?
- glomph 12y ago
  People are not blocked from being AAA movie stars on the basis of their gender.
  - EpicEng 12y ago
    Right, because they have the physical capacity to compete. In the NFL, the NBA, the MLB, etc., they don't. They just plain don't. If that confuses you then go take it out on God or biology.
    - glomph 12y ago
      If that is true why not let women try out for it?
      - EpicEng 12y ago
        Because at best it's a publicity stunt and wastes the time of all involved? Do you really think that a woman can compete with men on a football field? C'mon. Even the women in these sports laugh at the idea.