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Third, go out into nature if you can. Preferably with just your friends and not a lot of people around. It's pretty cool. LSD impairs your ability to feel cold

Third, go out into nature if you can. Preferably with just your friends and not a lot of people around. It's pretty cool. LSD impairs your ability to feel cold. People have died by taking drugs and then going out into snow. I sadly can't find the proof to back up my claim, but I read about a case of a girl taking ketamine and then going outside and succumbing to hypothermia. Here's another case of someone dying from drugs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D._M._Turner http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D._M._Turner Turner died after injecting an unknown quantity of ketamine while in a bathtub, presumably drowning while incapacitated by the effects of the drug. Before jumping down my throat that ketamine isn't related to LSD in any way, I know. It's true. But when you get into a mindset where taking LSD seems like a good idea, taking other drugs starts to seem like maybe-okay. It's no coincidence that the psychonaut I linked to was taking a ton of different drugs including LSD. I know people are going to be upset with me sweeping LSD under the classification of "drugs." People die from heroin and other hard drugs, but nobody has ever died from an LSD overdose. But I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the mindset that you're tempted to get once you delve into this scene. Let's talk about psychedelics. Here's a video of someone jumping out a window after taking a hit of salvia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v26zC-1eCo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v26zC-1eCo People have near-religious experiences after taking LSD, and they'll espouse the wonders of psychedelics while downplaying the risks. But there are risks. Before taking LSD, ask yourself: Are you sure you want to be a different person afterwards? People everywhere talk about the transformative nature of LSD, so that's what you'll be doing: transforming into a different person. Exploring land is fun because you get to go places you've never seen before. Exploring how chemicals affect your brain is fun if becoming a different person is fun. So don't do it unless you're sure you dislike yourself. People have often credited significant breakthroughs to taking LSD, but your chances of getting rich from bitcoin are significantly higher than making a huge impact on the world by consuming LSD. It'll certainly have a huge impact on your personal life, though, for better or worse.

pyre 12y ago
> LSD impairs your ability to feel cold. People have died by taking drugs and then going out into snow. I sadly can't find the proof to back up my claim, but I did read about a case of a girl taking ketamine and then going outside and succumbing to hypothermia. Unless I'm misunderstanding, the idea of a "sitter" is someone that is not under the influence, so this could negate such effects if one fully follows the advice of the parent post. > Before taking LSD, ask yourself: Are you sure you want to be a different person afterwards? People everywhere talk about the transformative nature of LSD, so that's what you'll be doing: transforming into a different person. Exploring land is fun because you get to go places you've never seen before. Exploring how chemicals affect your brain is fun for some because they become different. So don't do it unless you're sure you dislike yourself. You could make the same philosophical arguments against "downloading your mind into a computer" or "using a Star Trek transporter." How do you know that the consciousness on the other end is still "you?"
- sillysaurus3 12y ago
  the idea of a "sitter" is someone that is not under the influence, so this could negate such effects if one fully follows the advice of the parent post Indeed. It's crucial advice. Doing LSD without a responsible sitter would be like riding a motorcycle without a helmet. It's very sad that LSD is both illegal and has a social stigma, because it's less likely that people will find LSD along with a responsible sitter. I'm a datapoint of one, but my experience was that people involved with getting LSD also tend to want to do it as a group. They're not very responsible. It's easy to imagine a friend trying to persuade you to do it with them, which is the situation I found myself in. But again, a datapoint of one isn't very useful.
- mod 12y ago
  > You could make the same philosophical arguments against "downloading your mind into a computer" or "using a Star Trek transporter." How do you know that the consciousness on the other end is still "you?" Yeah, which is going to keep me from using the Star Trek transporter until it's studied further.
- pwr22 12y ago
  And every choice we make may change who we are relative to who we would be if we didn't make it. Basically that line of argument is fruitless imo
  - sillysaurus3 12y ago
    These chemicals will change your brain, and your brain is who you are. It's not philosophical. It's physical.
    - naturalrecursin 12y ago
      So is that cup of coffee you're drinking, and basically everything you do. Everyone is constantly changing. I don't understand what your point is?
    - h1karu 12y ago
      > These chemicals will change your brain, and your brain is who you are. I suspect that your brain is who you think you are because you've learned to associate the concept of self with your thought processes, but I ask you if you are indeed your thinking then how is it that you're able to observe your own thought ? If you'll bear with me for a moment, doesn't it also make sense to think that you may be whatever is observing both thought and sensory phenomena ? To run with that assumption for a moment.. if you are the observer rather than the thought, or body sensations under observation, then why assume that you're located in your brain ? After all aren't you equally observing the sensation of your little toe as you wiggle it ? I suspect that man is so continually engaged with the process of thought-observation as his primary focus that he has developed a bais towards self-identification with that one area of the body in particular (the head) when logically speaking he has no reason to assume he's not equally located in his little toe. Lets take this thought experiment one step further. If you can observe the body, as in the naturally arising sensory observation of bodily fabrications, and you can also observe thinking, then is it safe to assume that the observer is the same as that which is under observation ? Or perhaps the observer is the process of observation itself rather than the observer or the observed (do you feel more like a verb or a noun lately) ? or maybe it's both, or neither. Or could it be that it's neither nor one, nor the other, nor both, nor neither, as some buddhists have suggested ? > It's not philosophical. It's physical. If you come to suspect that you are either the observer, or the process of observing then how do you know for sure whether or not you are philosophical or physical in nature ? Or suppose you are both philosophical and physical in nature such as was reported to be the case with the fabled philosophers mercury of the hermetic alchemists ? These are the kinds of questions that the process of self-reflection may stir up within the individual and for some people LSD can serve as a catalyst that prompts them to pause and reflect. I personally suggest that you can achieve the same thing with less risk to your person simply by pausing (becoming very still), and reflecting inwardly, but this doesn't come naturally, so it takes practice. I know from personal experience that the early teachings of the Buddha as preserved by the Theravada linage are almost entirely devoted to practical instruction on how to accomplish this very feat. In closing I suppose if the article linked above is true, and ergot was a major component of the Western (greek) Mysteries then it occurs to me that perhaps it's this process of inward reflection, and it's fruits, which unite the ancient western with the ancient eastern mystical traditions.
naturalrecursin 12y ago
If you are worried about people not realizing it is cold outside maybe start advocating against drinking.
2anon4this 12y ago
>People have often credited significant breakthroughs to taking LSD, but your chances of getting rich from bitcoin are significantly higher than >making a huge impact on the world by consuming LSD. It'll certainly have a huge impact on your personal life, though, for better or worse. You probably won't believe me, but I went from being a directionless loser to going to med school and becoming a successful doctor after an epiphany during an LSD trip. I also invested a 5 figure sum into bitcoin when it was $3 a coin and am now a multimillionaire. I'm not even going to justify any of the other silly stuff you said with a response.
- sillysaurus3 12y ago
  The money is irrelevant. LSD isn't why you chose to invest in bitcoin. It was a happy coincidence. My comment said "Don't do it unless you're sure you dislike yourself." Before I say this, I want to clarify that this isn't an insult: you called yourself a directionless loser, so your reply doesn't disagree with me.
AgentME 12y ago
>Before taking LSD, ask yourself: Are you sure you want to be a different person afterwards? People everywhere talk about the transformative nature of LSD, so that's what you'll be doing: transforming into a different person. Exploring land is fun because you get to go places you've never seen before. Exploring how chemicals affect your brain is fun if becoming a different person is fun. So don't do it unless you're sure you dislike yourself. Couldn't you say that about any life experience?
zethraeus 12y ago
> Exploring how chemicals affect your brain is fun if becoming a different person is fun. So don't do it unless you're sure you dislike yourself. This sentence isn't really logically sound. There are lots of reasons to make a transition from a place of satisfaction to a place of uncertain satisfaction. Happy people often explore! Aside, 'Becoming a different person' implies a large amount of permanence. I'd really enjoy seeing this assertion sourced. Especially with regards to one-time or infrequent use of psychedelics. Could you point me to anything you've found particularly convincing?
- sillysaurus3 12y ago
  There's nothing scientific. A friend hadn't ever dreamed in color before taking LSD, but after taking it and going to sleep later that night, they had a vivid dream in color. Since then, every dream they remember having has always been in color. They were very surprised and very certain. That was some pretty convincing anecdotal evidence that LSD can cause permanent changes in certain susceptible people. It was an improvement in their case, but that seems like luck.
gwern 12y ago
> I read about a case of a girl taking ketamine and then going outside and succumbing to hypothermia. Turner and this woman's case are covered in _Ketamine: Dreams and Realities_ http://www.maps.org/books/K-DreamsKJansenMAPS.pdf http://www.maps.org/books/K-DreamsKJansenMAPS.pdf , by Jansen; he argues that there are extenuating circumstances in those cases and it's not as simple as 'ketamine killed them'.
- sillysaurus3 12y ago
  Thanks. I appreciate the book reference. Do you happen to remember what the circumstances were? Here's a working link: http://www.pdfarchive.info/pdf/J/Ja/Jansen_Karl_-_Ketamine.pdf http://www.pdfarchive.info/pdf/J/Ja/Jansen_Karl_-_Ketamine.p...
  - gwern 12y ago
    You should be able to find her by searching the book's fulltext for, IIRC, 'Jungian' and 'woods' and 'suicide'/'accident'.
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pyre 12y ago

> LSD impairs your ability to feel cold. People have died by taking drugs and then going out into snow. I sadly can't find the proof to back up my claim, but I did read about a case of a girl taking ketamine and then going outside and succumbing to hypothermia. Unless I'm misunderstanding, the idea of a "sitter" is someone that is not under the influence, so this could negate such effects if one fully follows the advice of the parent post. > Before taking LSD, ask yourself: Are you sure you want to be a different person afterwards? People everywhere talk about the transformative nature of LSD, so that's what you'll be doing: transforming into a different person. Exploring land is fun because you get to go places you've never seen before. Exploring how chemicals affect your brain is fun for some because they become different. So don't do it unless you're sure you dislike yourself. You could make the same philosophical arguments against "downloading your mind into a computer" or "using a Star Trek transporter." How do you know that the consciousness on the other end is still "you?"

sillysaurus3 12y ago
the idea of a "sitter" is someone that is not under the influence, so this could negate such effects if one fully follows the advice of the parent post Indeed. It's crucial advice. Doing LSD without a responsible sitter would be like riding a motorcycle without a helmet. It's very sad that LSD is both illegal and has a social stigma, because it's less likely that people will find LSD along with a responsible sitter. I'm a datapoint of one, but my experience was that people involved with getting LSD also tend to want to do it as a group. They're not very responsible. It's easy to imagine a friend trying to persuade you to do it with them, which is the situation I found myself in. But again, a datapoint of one isn't very useful.
mod 12y ago
> You could make the same philosophical arguments against "downloading your mind into a computer" or "using a Star Trek transporter." How do you know that the consciousness on the other end is still "you?" Yeah, which is going to keep me from using the Star Trek transporter until it's studied further.
pwr22 12y ago
And every choice we make may change who we are relative to who we would be if we didn't make it. Basically that line of argument is fruitless imo
- sillysaurus3 12y ago
  These chemicals will change your brain, and your brain is who you are. It's not philosophical. It's physical.
  - naturalrecursin 12y ago
    So is that cup of coffee you're drinking, and basically everything you do. Everyone is constantly changing. I don't understand what your point is?
  - h1karu 12y ago
    > These chemicals will change your brain, and your brain is who you are. I suspect that your brain is who you think you are because you've learned to associate the concept of self with your thought processes, but I ask you if you are indeed your thinking then how is it that you're able to observe your own thought ? If you'll bear with me for a moment, doesn't it also make sense to think that you may be whatever is observing both thought and sensory phenomena ? To run with that assumption for a moment.. if you are the observer rather than the thought, or body sensations under observation, then why assume that you're located in your brain ? After all aren't you equally observing the sensation of your little toe as you wiggle it ? I suspect that man is so continually engaged with the process of thought-observation as his primary focus that he has developed a bais towards self-identification with that one area of the body in particular (the head) when logically speaking he has no reason to assume he's not equally located in his little toe. Lets take this thought experiment one step further. If you can observe the body, as in the naturally arising sensory observation of bodily fabrications, and you can also observe thinking, then is it safe to assume that the observer is the same as that which is under observation ? Or perhaps the observer is the process of observation itself rather than the observer or the observed (do you feel more like a verb or a noun lately) ? or maybe it's both, or neither. Or could it be that it's neither nor one, nor the other, nor both, nor neither, as some buddhists have suggested ? > It's not philosophical. It's physical. If you come to suspect that you are either the observer, or the process of observing then how do you know for sure whether or not you are philosophical or physical in nature ? Or suppose you are both philosophical and physical in nature such as was reported to be the case with the fabled philosophers mercury of the hermetic alchemists ? These are the kinds of questions that the process of self-reflection may stir up within the individual and for some people LSD can serve as a catalyst that prompts them to pause and reflect. I personally suggest that you can achieve the same thing with less risk to your person simply by pausing (becoming very still), and reflecting inwardly, but this doesn't come naturally, so it takes practice. I know from personal experience that the early teachings of the Buddha as preserved by the Theravada linage are almost entirely devoted to practical instruction on how to accomplish this very feat. In closing I suppose if the article linked above is true, and ergot was a major component of the Western (greek) Mysteries then it occurs to me that perhaps it's this process of inward reflection, and it's fruits, which unite the ancient western with the ancient eastern mystical traditions.

naturalrecursin 12y ago

If you are worried about people not realizing it is cold outside maybe start advocating against drinking.

2anon4this 12y ago

>People have often credited significant breakthroughs to taking LSD, but your chances of getting rich from bitcoin are significantly higher than >making a huge impact on the world by consuming LSD. It'll certainly have a huge impact on your personal life, though, for better or worse. You probably won't believe me, but I went from being a directionless loser to going to med school and becoming a successful doctor after an epiphany during an LSD trip. I also invested a 5 figure sum into bitcoin when it was $3 a coin and am now a multimillionaire. I'm not even going to justify any of the other silly stuff you said with a response.

sillysaurus3 12y ago
The money is irrelevant. LSD isn't why you chose to invest in bitcoin. It was a happy coincidence. My comment said "Don't do it unless you're sure you dislike yourself." Before I say this, I want to clarify that this isn't an insult: you called yourself a directionless loser, so your reply doesn't disagree with me.

AgentME 12y ago

>Before taking LSD, ask yourself: Are you sure you want to be a different person afterwards? People everywhere talk about the transformative nature of LSD, so that's what you'll be doing: transforming into a different person. Exploring land is fun because you get to go places you've never seen before. Exploring how chemicals affect your brain is fun if becoming a different person is fun. So don't do it unless you're sure you dislike yourself. Couldn't you say that about any life experience?

zethraeus 12y ago

> Exploring how chemicals affect your brain is fun if becoming a different person is fun. So don't do it unless you're sure you dislike yourself. This sentence isn't really logically sound. There are lots of reasons to make a transition from a place of satisfaction to a place of uncertain satisfaction. Happy people often explore! Aside, 'Becoming a different person' implies a large amount of permanence. I'd really enjoy seeing this assertion sourced. Especially with regards to one-time or infrequent use of psychedelics. Could you point me to anything you've found particularly convincing?

sillysaurus3 12y ago
There's nothing scientific. A friend hadn't ever dreamed in color before taking LSD, but after taking it and going to sleep later that night, they had a vivid dream in color. Since then, every dream they remember having has always been in color. They were very surprised and very certain. That was some pretty convincing anecdotal evidence that LSD can cause permanent changes in certain susceptible people. It was an improvement in their case, but that seems like luck.

gwern 12y ago

> I read about a case of a girl taking ketamine and then going outside and succumbing to hypothermia. Turner and this woman's case are covered in _Ketamine: Dreams and Realities_ http://www.maps.org/books/K-DreamsKJansenMAPS.pdf http://www.maps.org/books/K-DreamsKJansenMAPS.pdf , by Jansen; he argues that there are extenuating circumstances in those cases and it's not as simple as 'ketamine killed them'.

sillysaurus3 12y ago
Thanks. I appreciate the book reference. Do you happen to remember what the circumstances were? Here's a working link: http://www.pdfarchive.info/pdf/J/Ja/Jansen_Karl_-_Ketamine.pdf http://www.pdfarchive.info/pdf/J/Ja/Jansen_Karl_-_Ketamine.p...
- gwern 12y ago
  You should be able to find her by searching the book's fulltext for, IIRC, 'Jungian' and 'woods' and 'suicide'/'accident'.

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