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This is a fantastic idea. My only worry is that the owners will be legally hounded from every corner of the world due to the fact that most large food corporat

This is a fantastic idea. My only worry is that the owners will be legally hounded from every corner of the world due to the fact that most large food corporations don't really want you to know what's in their products. Like the fact that "orange juice" is basically rancid orange sugar water left sitting in large vats for up to a year that is doused with orange oil before sale, apparently. [0] I would get some legal cousel were I persuing this venture. [0] http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/orange-juice-is-premium-juice-actually-more-natural-1.2902004 http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/orange-juice-is-premium-juic...

mrschwabe 12y ago
Valid concerns, and I share your sentiment about the inexcusable behavior of large-scale food manufacturers, but wouldn't it be better to focus on getting some real traction before wasting mental energy on what might happen; or investing in potentially unnecessary and costly legal counsel? To my knowledge, they're not divulging any info that isn't already public - not to mention it could take a long time for this to ever reach a critical mass in which a manufacturer would care to go on the offensive towards them. Probably would be best to keep grinding, build traction - and then pursue legal counsel; when you've got some revenue to pay for such things or even capital investment if that is a road the founders wish to pursue. Actively working to keep everything open source & decentralized is a great insurance against those types of adversaries anyway.
pinot 12y ago
Where are you getting that the orange juice goes rancid in storage? Evaporation and concentration is a way of preserving juice, not a way of destroying it. And vat is such a loaded term. Concentrate is stored in closed stainless steel tanks, just like every other liquid beverage, not some concrete trough.
- makomk 12y ago
  Did you actually read the linked article? It's about not-from-concentrate orange juice, so your entire comment is basically irrelevant.
  - pinot 12y ago
    There's also nothing about "Rancid" juice in the article either. I don't understand the discontent with adding orange oil to orange juice. The orange oil is made from the juicing process as a byproduct from the skins. There's hundreds of varieties of vanilla flavor extracts available from "flavor companies that also make perfumes" (which is a false equivalence, implying that a perfume is inherently toxic, synthetic and evil), all made from vanilla beans. Problem as well?

mrschwabe 12y ago

Valid concerns, and I share your sentiment about the inexcusable behavior of large-scale food manufacturers, but wouldn't it be better to focus on getting some real traction before wasting mental energy on what might happen; or investing in potentially unnecessary and costly legal counsel? To my knowledge, they're not divulging any info that isn't already public - not to mention it could take a long time for this to ever reach a critical mass in which a manufacturer would care to go on the offensive towards them. Probably would be best to keep grinding, build traction - and then pursue legal counsel; when you've got some revenue to pay for such things or even capital investment if that is a road the founders wish to pursue. Actively working to keep everything open source & decentralized is a great insurance against those types of adversaries anyway.

pinot 12y ago

Where are you getting that the orange juice goes rancid in storage? Evaporation and concentration is a way of preserving juice, not a way of destroying it. And vat is such a loaded term. Concentrate is stored in closed stainless steel tanks, just like every other liquid beverage, not some concrete trough.

makomk 12y ago
Did you actually read the linked article? It's about not-from-concentrate orange juice, so your entire comment is basically irrelevant.
- pinot 12y ago
  There's also nothing about "Rancid" juice in the article either. I don't understand the discontent with adding orange oil to orange juice. The orange oil is made from the juicing process as a byproduct from the skins. There's hundreds of varieties of vanilla flavor extracts available from "flavor companies that also make perfumes" (which is a false equivalence, implying that a perfume is inherently toxic, synthetic and evil), all made from vanilla beans. Problem as well?